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    moderator survey can yield much information

    I have held surveys in the past regarding how old the various members/subscribers currently on APUG are. That is simple to do, as we all contribute such data.

    But a far more revealing demographic would be for the moderators to add to this knowledge: Thus I challenge them.

    Question one: During the past dozen years or so, has the overall APUG membership/subscribership INCREASED or DECREASED? (The answer to this will be especially revealing because if it has merely stayed the same, that bodes well for analog, as digital has literally taken photography away from analog during that important time frame.)

    Question two: Are most NEW members/subscribers young or older? (This says a lot about the future viability of analog, especially if there is a great percentage of new people here who grew up with digital.)

    And PS moderator, can you correct my spelling of the word 'yield' on the title!!! - David Lyga

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    Why "challenge" and not just ask? There's no need to take such an antagonistic stance here.

    Moderator will not have the answer for your question 2 as they do not ask that question when people join in.
    Answer to question 1 is "increased". People join and never officially leave. They just stop participating. Thus, as new members join, they just get added to the old base.
    Develop, stop, fix.... wait.... where's my film?

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    Only Sean could tell you anything like that. The moderators won't have that kind of access and even then there's no age given when you join nor the level of skill.

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    Because, only the moderator will have access to the number registered, tkamiya. No antagonism intended. Number two is more subjective, true, in that one would get a feeling for the age, perhaps. Regardless, moderators 'see' more than we do. - David Lyga

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    Quote Originally Posted by David Lyga View Post
    Because, only the moderator will have access to the number registered, tkamiya. No antagonism intended. Number two is more subjective, true, in that one would get a feeling for the age, perhaps. Regardless, moderators 'see' more than we do. - David Lyga
    Actually, only the site owner has access to some of what you are interested in.

    And David, you could always subscribe yourself, in which case you would be confident in knowing that the number of subscribers was increased by at least one.
    Matt

    “Photography is a complex and fluid medium, and its many factors are not applied in simple sequence. Rather, the process may be likened to the art of the juggler in keeping many balls in the air at one time!”

    Ansel Adams, from the introduction to The Negative - The New Ansel Adams Photography Series / Book 2

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    Quote Originally Posted by MattKing View Post
    And David, you could always subscribe yourself...
    "Hate is an adolescent term used to stop discussion with people you disagree with. You can do better than that."
    —'blanksy', December 13, 2013

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    Quote Originally Posted by David Lyga View Post
    as digital has literally taken photography away from analog during that important time frame
    I can assure you that no one has taken away my cameras, film or paper. Not "literally"; not figuratively; not any other "ly". I'm confident that this is true for the vast majority of APUGers.

    Did you literally mean "literally"?

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    Personally, I interpreted the word "challenge" as more of a literary tool than antagonistic comment toward the moderators. Words can have different meanings based on context.

    I believe the information you seek would be interesting, but would also be difficult to truly learn. There are too many confounding variables.

    For example, I never put personal information on the web, including gender, age, "race," sexuality, religiosity, etc. Many people make a similar, conscious, decision to remain as anonymous as possible online. Personally, I enjoy observing what "cues" people use in attempts to ascertain the previously mentioned demographic data. (Sidebar: It is to their credit that the board administrators do not require that sort of information.)

    At the top of the page is the number of total members. I know some BBS software will show number of users active for the past x number of days, but I don't think those automatically break it down for a yearly totals.

    However, if we had the number of active users per year, it may reflect the popularity of a BBS, how well known it is, and how involved those users are more than reveal general user trends for a particular product. I'd briefly been on one automotive BBS that had a mass exodus to a new board that was operated by, shall we say, more level-headed people than the former. So the numbers would have been quite confusing, and unrepresentative, in a case like that.

    Numbers could also be inflated because of a thread where people may feel compelled to join a board just to comment, like the Herculiner thread (may not be suitable for young children, though not obscene) of yet another automotive board.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Grant View Post
    Only Sean could tell you anything like that. The moderators won't have that kind of access and even then there's no age given when you join nor the level of skill.

    Ian
    Agree, although Sean did say this recently:


    Quote Originally Posted by Sean View Post
    ...I know we continue to register 20-30 new people a day which says to me we are doing something right. Our stats are always strong for such a niche site...
    Per
    http://www.apug.org/forums/viewpost.php?p=1239398
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    Sean has the membership/active user stats. The moderators can estimate, but Sean has the numbers. We don't collect age or other demographic information, which in principle would be useful for advertising sales, but given the nature of the site, I don't think we're going to start selling ads for non-photographic products based on the demographics of the site (and given the demographics of the site, what exactly would those products be? "APUG brought to you by...Viagra").

    In general, my feeling from what I know from Sean and from what I've observed is that new members per month and active members per month have steadily increased over time. I don't know if it's easy for Sean to graph those figures, but they would be interesting.
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