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    Marketing is everything, unfortunately, and that goes for people as well as anything else. Have you heard the term "personal branding"? I love that one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jnanian View Post
    after all frank lloyd wright totally lied like a rug
    to get his first clients and that was between ww2 and ww1 ...
    *cough cough* *cough cough*

    Frank Lloyd Wright may have lied to get his first clients... but it was in the 1880s, not in the 1920s. He did frequently connive, bullshit and outright lie about his work to his clients throughout his life, but he always managed in the end to pull the rabbit out of the hat when needed, a la Fallingwater, perhaps his most famous design. He had received the commission to design it from Mr. Kaufmann, the Pittsburgh department store magnate. For several months he drew nothing. Then Mr. Kaufmann called and wanted to see the drawings, indicating he could be over to the studio in a couple of hours. At that moment, Wright told Mr. Kaufmann to come on over, the drawings would be ready for him to see, then picked up a pencil and began to sketch. The drawings were in fact done by the time Mr. Kaufmann arrived, but they still had the eraser shavings on them and were not the completed sketches he implied when he answered the phone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by batwister View Post
    Assuming you don't have a portfolio of masterpieces at 21, in any field, you obviously have to sell more than you have to get going. Which might explain why cliveh sees it as rife in the UK - it's almost imperative when our national motto is 'no experience, no job, no job, no experience'.

    I think bullshitting is definitely subjective though - perhaps most detested by sensitive introverts and most successful when dealing with extroverted egomaniacs, i.e those who can share the wealth. Isn't it a game? In which case you don't have to be an arsehole to bullshit.
    i was a few years off ... it was the 1890s ...
    but he lied his ass off to get work ...
    not that working for Louis Sullivan is the work of a slouch
    but jus the same "resume inflation" is bullshitting your
    way into a job is just as prevalent now as it was 120years ago ...
    heck just a few years ago robert irvine famed celebrity chef was
    demoted on the food Chanel and removed from "his show"
    because of resume inflation ...
    and locally maybe 30years ago some guy who claimed to have a ph.d in water science was the head of a local water department and within a year the water in his city was unfit to drink because of a bacteria issue.
    eventually ... they checked his credentials ...
    So no I don't think there iS more BS, just as many people with shovels...
    Last edited by jnanian; 04-16-2013 at 09:59 PM. Click to view previous post history.

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    I don't know if there is an explosion, but I know a lot of big bull shitters, funny enough lots of people believe them.
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    An explosion of bullshitters???

    Let me see...

    we have a pride of lions...
    a flock of sheep...
    a herd of cattle...
    a gaggle of geese

    and now to add to the list of "groupings"

    .... an explosion of bullshitters?

    Better get that "new" one 'registered' with the Encyclopaedia Brittanica

    Ken
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    That's just, like, my opinion, man...

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    Quote Originally Posted by KenS View Post
    Let me see...

    we have a pride of lions...
    a flock of sheep...
    a herd of cattle...
    a gaggle of geese

    and now to add to the list of "groupings"

    .... an explosion of bullshitters?

    Better get that "new" one 'registered' with the Encyclopaedia Brittanica

    Ken
    How about a "fan" of bullshitters?
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    Wouldn't want to be near an exploding bullshitter!

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    And the implied paradox that goes with it...



    Ken
    "There is very limited audience for the arty stuff, and it is largely comprised of other arty types, most of whom have no money to spend because no one is buying their stuff either. More people bring their emotions to an image than bring their intellect. The former are the folks who have checkbooks because they are engineers, accountants, and bankers—and generally they are engineers, accountants and bankers because they are not artists."

    — Amanda Tomlin, Looking Glass Magazine, 2014

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    Quote Originally Posted by dehk View Post
    I don't know if there is an explosion, but I know a lot of big bull shitters, funny enough lots of people believe them.
    Exactly the same here in ther UK. Seemed to start about 20 years ago, up until then there was still an appreciation of qualifications and genuine standards in most jobs and professions. IMHO, this has been totally diluted in favour of what looks and sounds good, or what's fashionable. Next month this changes to something else "new".

    An accountant friend of mine tells me of certain clients who complain about their tax bill and "know someone in the pub who says he never pays any tax". My friend always asks them if the person in the pub brags as much when Inland Revenue catch up with him. (Or, alternatively, what makes them think that Inland Revenue inspectors don't enjoy a drink in their local pub in their spare time. )

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