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    Heartily agree but that's to be expected because I'm not a US politician. I could rant for hours but that'd a bad derail even by APUG standards.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StoneNYC View Post
    You can have a keychain pocket knife again... Haha
    Nope, they changed their mind, you still can't carry even a small pen knife on an airplane.

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    This is Australia. Not the USA.

    I think the Police made a prudent decision to investigate. The lab has very likely come across otherwise offensive material parading as "art" in the past and has a policy of reporting such silently under a standing law that is repeated in most Australian jurisdictions. Many labs do. Photographing kids running around the house in the nudie is fine — all parents do it, and have done so for eons. The point is you cannot actually showing genitalia — this is where there are clear laws in place that can assimilate your hitherto "harmless family snaps" with child pornography. There have been well-documented cases in the media recently (Victoria) of an artist having his works confiscated because he pictured genitalia and the faces of children he has randomly photographed. Bill Henson's works are another case in point, though the waters are somewhat muddied and there is no need to discuss his works here. Of the former artist, it was so bad the entire gallery was shut down and remains shut down. Kids need to be protected, now and into the future, because they are vulnerable; as a parent, you know that. It doesn't matter if the images are on film or digital, the law recognises both and the potential unwanted focus and harm it can bring in the wider public space (even by my understanding you have absolutely no intention of putting the images in the public sphere). I don't doubt you've done anything wrong, just fell into that space where the tendrils of the law have ensnared you. My parents photographed me running amoke, riding my trike, playing on the beach and floating in the bath. They came from an era of innocent and free spirit (the 1960s); images of that era are far removed to what we are seeing today. Rampant nudity, pornography... debauchery on a grand scale, including but not limited to, the involvement of children. But the world back then didn't have the saturating scourge of pedophiles who bide their time endlessly trawling the web and collecting images of children. Police have sophisticated means of tracking web visits about this, and also sourcing electronic images right back to the lab, or even the person uploading them. Labs are required to report, by law, any obscene, objectionable or pornographic material, especially involving children. You've been caught out even though your intentions were anything but to the contravention of the law.

    Maybe speak with the Police to have the report reviewed, or take it up with a body involving civil liberties (I don't know in which State you are, but in Victoria that would be the Victorian Council for Civil Liberties). VCAT is also another option here in Victoria.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Prof_Pixel View Post
    Nope, they changed their mind, you still can't carry even a small pen knife on an airplane.
    You can carry a machete if you're a sugar cane worker but not box cutters with an inch long blade.

    They figured the way they jam everyone in planes these days that you don't have enough room to swing a machete anyway.
    I couldn't think of anything witty to say so I left this blank.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Prof_Pixel View Post
    Yeh, and I used to carry a pocket knife onboard airlines, too. Different times, different rules.
    Definitely different whatsits.

    I carried a pocket knife from about 3rd grade to HS graduation, and no one had a problem.

    Of course, back then, no students were stabbing teachers.

    That probably had an effect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Poisson Du Jour View Post
    This is Australia. Not the USA.
    What's that got to do with anything? We're discussing the base/core rationale behind it regardless of whatever sky-is-falling laws have been enacted. What that means is, regardless of what's in the law, people are questioning the rationality of it.

    AUS also has a well known (and semi-recent) track record for enacting draconian laws around these types of things based on irrational impulses. That is no justification for it and if people have issue with it they should be allowed to air those issues rather than accept it as "oh well that's the law, so it shouldn't be argued."
    Stop worrying about grain, resolution, sharpness, and everything else that doesn't have a damn thing to do with substance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by clayne View Post
    What's that got to do with anything? We're discussing the base/core rationale behind it regardless of whatever sky-is-falling laws have been enacted. What that means is, regardless of what's in the law, people are questioning the rationality of it.
    When the thread title is "Upset at the actions of the photo lab", the photo lab's obligations under the law have everything to do with the discussion. Your opinion about the law doesn't absolve the photo lab of any responsibilities they may have under Australian law.

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    Quote Originally Posted by clayne View Post
    What's that got to do with anything? We're discussing the base/core rationale behind it regardless of whatever sky-is-falling laws have been enacted. What that means is, regardless of what's in the law, people are questioning the rationality of it.

    AUS also has a well known (and semi-recent) track record for enacting draconian laws around these types of things based on irrational impulses. That is no justification for it and if people have issue with it they should be allowed to air those issues rather than accept it as "oh well that's the law, so it shouldn't be argued."
    Dang! Next you be bitchin' that them thar terlets in AUS flush bassackwards, dagnabit!
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    Quote Originally Posted by DLawson View Post
    I carried a pocket knife from about 3rd grade to HS graduation, and no one had a problem.
    Me too

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    Quote Originally Posted by clayne View Post
    What's that got to do with anything? We're discussing the base/core rationale behind it regardless of whatever sky-is-falling laws have been enacted. What that means is, regardless of what's in the law, people are questioning the rationality of it.

    AUS also has a well known (and semi-recent) track record for enacting draconian laws around these types of things based on irrational impulses. That is no justification for it and if people have issue with it they should be allowed to air those issues rather than accept it as "oh well that's the law, so it shouldn't be argued."
    It has a lot if you would like to do your research. And prove to me what laws you are referring to are draconian, and why. I'd like to know.




 

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