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    this begs the question... what the hell was the photo, for someone to take such a position?

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    In my neck of the woods, there is a legal obligation to report anything that brings rise to a concern that a child may be at risk.

    The obligation supersedes any claim of privilege (doctor/patient, priest/penitent, lawyer/client).

    By law, if I am concerned about the possibility of a child being at risk, I am required to report. I am not given the discretion to decide against reporting.

    However, there is a matching legal requirement that the child protection authorities handle such reports very carefully. While they have significant powers when it comes to protecting children, their powers when it comes to making allegations against others or seizing property are constrained by criminal law and the stringent rules against government seizure of private property.
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    Some folks are immorally moral

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    Too many iron-fisted activists are created by too much watching of Law and Order SUV and other TV shows. They're just TV shows.
    I hate the "zero tolerance", black and white view of morality. We're spending $billions to fight the Taliban and now they work in our photo labs.
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    I took myself off last summer (on my own) specifically to get some architectural shots of a local stately home (in a public park). While waiting for the sun to come through clouds for the effect I wanted, I suddenly found myself being watched, I felt uncomfortably, by a group of Mums picnicking with their kids. They were some distance away, and were nowhere near my intended photo, being 180 degrees behind me.
    I felt quite sick that we're in a society where irrational fears have been instilled so that Mums and kids can't enjoy an innocent picnic without watching every stranger, and we can't enjoy our hobby without watching our backs all the time.
    And would it have attracted any similar attention if I had been a woman photographer on her own? IDK?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MattKing View Post
    In my neck of the woods, there is a legal obligation to report anything that brings rise to a concern that a child may be at risk.

    The obligation supersedes any claim of privilege (doctor/patient, priest/penitent, lawyer/client).

    By law, if I am concerned about the possibility of a child being at risk, I am required to report. I am not given the discretion to decide against reporting.

    However, there is a matching legal requirement that the child protection authorities handle such reports very carefully. While they have significant powers when it comes to protecting children, their powers when it comes to making allegations against others or seizing property are constrained by criminal law and the stringent rules against government seizure of private property.
    Here's some food for though: if a child is crying in a photograph, shouldn't it be reported because there is a possibility of risk? What makes a nude body on an otherwise happy child (not being obviously placed into any harm) any more prone to risk than a kid bawling his eyes out? The latter could be post-abuse and no one would know.

    The key issue here isn't potential of abuse - it's nudity and children no matter what the context. That's dumb.
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    Stop worrying about grain, resolution, sharpness, and everything else that doesn't have a damn thing to do with substance.

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    Zero tolerance laws/regulations trivialize the very actions they seek to remedy. Consider the boy suspended from school for bringing a GI Joe figurine to a school with a zero tolerance regulation against guns.
    A rock pile ceases to be a rock pile the moment a single man contemplates it, bearing within him the image of a cathedral.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BrianShaw View Post
    ... but it is no more right or wrong than if one were to call the police to report screams coming from the home next door.
    The difference is that there is the real possibility that somebody is in imminent danger of death or bodily injury. In photographs, there is no imminent danger. Even if the person in the picture who appears to be in danger actually faces such peril, the danger has already passed. The picture has already been taken.

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    I must vigorously disagree. To do so reduces all of us to mindless sheep. We are reasoning beings with the power to change what we do not like.
    A quote from Voltaire: "No snowflake ever took responsibility for an avalanche."

    Quote Originally Posted by MattKing View Post
    In my neck of the woods, there is a legal obligation to report anything that brings rise to a concern that a child may be at risk.
    I am not being contrarian, here, but I would honestly like to read the statute. I would like to know who informed the business owner of this statue and their obligation to obey it. I would like to know how employees are trained to interpret that statute and what their obligations are when they determine that there is something illegal going on.

    Quote Originally Posted by railwayman3 View Post
    I took myself off last summer (on my own) specifically to get some architectural shots of a local stately home (in a public park). While waiting for the sun to come through clouds for the effect I wanted, I suddenly found myself being watched, I felt uncomfortably, by a group of Mums picnicking with their kids. They were some distance away, and were nowhere near my intended photo, being 180 degrees behind me.
    That's their problem, not yours. Continue as you were.
    I have had people call the cops on me for no reason. I just kept walking. I smiled and waved at the cop and said, "Hi," with my camera in my hand.
    I have been confronted three times. I just said, "I'm sorry. I didn't know I was on private property." (In every case, both my feet were on the public sidewalk. Not even stepping on a blade of grass.) One guy, I liked and I stopped to talk with him. We shot the $hit for ten minutes. The other two, I just said, "Have a nice day," and kept walking.

    I am not obligated to respond to other people's ignorance.
    I always try to conduct myself with good manners in public, especially when using a camera but I flat-out refuse to be a snowflake in the proverbial avalanche.
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    What is illegal is not necessarily immoral. What is legal is not aways moral either. The world exists in shades if gray. The art of life is nuanced interpretation of morality. Don't be so quick to judge and call the cops when seeing pics of naked folk.
    "Photography, like surfing, is an infinite process, a constantly evolving exploration of life."
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    Almost everything in life is context.

    And some people aren't capable of discerning it.

    We are surrounded by stupidity, and must always adapt to the most unevolved the group.
    I couldn't think of anything witty to say so I left this blank.

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    The problem with the current crusade against child pornography is that it misses the greater problem. We hear that the children involved in porn are being abused and exploited. BUT nothing is said about the hundreds of thousands of children all around the world that are abused and exploited every day, forced to work at adult jobs in dangerous situations. They suffer sickness, maiming and even death but we hear little about them. [SARCASM]Of course they are learning a job skill which we all know is morally proper. And as a bonus they are producing things such as cheap clothes.[/SARCASM] What about the sanctity of childhood for all children not just a subset of them?
    A rock pile ceases to be a rock pile the moment a single man contemplates it, bearing within him the image of a cathedral.

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