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    OK, maybe saying I'm sorry is the wrong words. But showing some consideration and acknowledging that they are not happy with the photos that may or may not have been taken is all in the interest of keeping harmony.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ming Rider View Post
    Here's an unexpected turn up for the books.

    On the 3rd January 2014, my work and a short biography is to be featured on the 'Street Photographer Blog'.

    http://streetphotographerblog.wordpress.com/
    Cool! But why does a blog have to wait so long? It's not like a magazine or anything. They ought to be able to post it at any time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lxdude View Post
    If someone called me a perv, there is no way I would reply "I'm Sorry". I mean- are you nuts? She would feel completely validated in her opinion and actions.

    None of us are obligated to take verbal abuse from someone. We have the right to defend ourselves against such attacks. If you decide to do something else, fine, but don't go passing judgment on the person who isn't going to take that kind of crap. The woman was wrong in what she did. She is not entitled to get a pass on it.
    she and her kids were "attacked" too ...
    and now stone ( and the peanut gallery ) has attached her again by suggesting the only reason she didn't
    want to have her photograph taken was because she was "fat and ugly" ... ( like all fat / ugly women? )
    and if she was a "beautiful person" she would have relished the extra attention she was getting.

    if ming and stone did nothing wrong .. the lady did nothing wrong either ...
    she didn't want a stranger who had been staring/spying at her and her kids
    for 3-5 minutes photographing them.

    if a person with a camera is going to take grab shots
    ( and if the subject is upset all the better ) then the photographer
    gets what he paid for if/when the subject calls them names, verbally abuses them and/or calls the police.

    the whole fat+ugly thing reminds me of next day pathetic excuses after a frat party.

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    Quote Originally Posted by viridari View Post
    Cool! But why does a blog have to wait so long? It's not like a magazine or anything. They ought to be able to post it at any time.
    I suppose it's because each photographer is featured on the front page for a week and the owner has a healthy long list of people to display on a firstcome first served basis?

    Yep, it is cool.
    "All I ask for is an M5 with a fast lens, a roll of HP5 and a street to shoot her by."

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    Slightly off topic but what happens when we are all wearing Google type glasses and constantly filming everything around us - no camera to raise to the face, no way of people knowing whether your taking their picture or not.....

    I think that this will change the whole game - how can you enforce something easily when it is ubiquitous?

    It's almost there now with mobile phone / smart phone / tablet cameras - very difficult to enforce. Is someone making a call, browsing, reading an ebook of filming? How to really tell?

    Unfortunately us 'old school' photographers give the game away by using these strange antiquated machines that require you to hold it up to your face, in plain view of everyone, just to record an image!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jnanian View Post
    she and her kids were "attacked" too ...
    and now stone ( and the peanut gallery ) has attached her again by suggesting the only reason she didn't
    want to have her photograph taken was because she was "fat and ugly" ... ( like all fat / ugly women? )
    and if she was a "beautiful person" she would have relished the extra attention she was getting.

    if ming and stone did nothing wrong .. the lady did nothing wrong either ...
    she didn't want a stranger who had been staring/spying at her and her kids
    for 3-5 minutes photographing them.

    if a person with a camera is going to take grab shots
    ( and if the subject is upset all the better ) then the photographer
    gets what he paid for if/when the subject calls them names, verbally abuses them and/or calls the police.

    the whole fat+ugly thing reminds me of next day pathetic excuses after a frat party.
    Again putting words in my mouth, I spoke of an individual person. This was a group dynamic with children involved my opinion changes and she was being protective of her kids the "unattractive perception/fat" thing does not apply here...


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    Quote Originally Posted by StoneNYC View Post
    So I say again, can't we all just get along? Stay together for the film!
    One of these days I'm going to give you a truckload of grief over run-on sentences.

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    Quote Originally Posted by C.poulton View Post
    It's almost there now with mobile phone / smart phone / tablet cameras - very difficult to enforce. Is someone making a call, browsing, reading an ebook of filming? How to really tell?
    I think you have countries where is it illegal to make photos without a sound (I had a minox GL, and it was so quiet that you can say it is practically silent). But what about recording movie - no warning sound there...? Maybe there will be a law saying that you can check someones phone if you think he made picture of you ? Or maybe all picture will be recored in cloud - not locally, and then it will be checked for pictures of kids or whatever...?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jnanian View Post
    she and her kids were "attacked" too ...
    and now stone ( and the peanut gallery ) has attached her again by suggesting the only reason she didn't
    want to have her photograph taken was because she was "fat and ugly" ... ( like all fat / ugly women? )
    and if she was a "beautiful person" she would have relished the extra attention she was getting.

    if ming and stone did nothing wrong .. the lady did nothing wrong either ...
    she didn't want a stranger who had been staring/spying at her and her kids
    for 3-5 minutes photographing them.

    if a person with a camera is going to take grab shots
    ( and if the subject is upset all the better ) then the photographer
    gets what he paid for if/when the subject calls them names, verbally abuses them and/or calls the police.

    the whole fat+ugly thing reminds me of next day pathetic excuses after a frat party.
    Ming Rider has said he didn't even stand up and was sitting on a bench while photographing. That's hardly attacking when it's a public park. She called him a "perv" and yelled at him several times. He was trying to get a shot of the kids being kids while the older couple sat. He said nothing about it being "if the subject is upset, all the better" and he didn't get the shot he was hoping for. I'd even wonder if the lady thought he was taking the pictures to use as evidence of how her kids were misbehaving. No, there isn't a way to know what the subject is thinking. Should that seriously stop us from ever taking candid pictures?
    The fat and ugly thing was an off-shoot of the original topic, not the OP's excuses.
    Personally, I think a lot of people in this thread are taking the whole thing a little too much to heart (maybe the thread more than the original incident, too).
    If someone got in my son's face, literally, and took pictures of him from less than 5 feet away, yeah, I'd get a bit anxious. I'd probably take their picture and ask them to move away, please (if they didn't move quickly, my response might be a little, um, stronger; I did do karate for several years and hung out with LEOs for 15 years). But if he were doing his usual running/jumping/climbing and someone aimed a camera at him from 20 feet away, I'd just ask if they could send me copies.
    Yeah, different people have different reactions to situations and I think that's sorta the original point of the thread. I just don't see someone being photographed in public as being attacked. Getting screamed at and called perv, I do see as being attacked. My opinion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by winger View Post
    If someone got in my son's face, literally, and took pictures of him from less than 5 feet away, yeah, I'd get a bit anxious. I'd probably take their picture and ask them to move away, please (if they didn't move quickly, my response might be a little, um, stronger; I did do karate for several years and hung out with LEOs for 15 years). But if he were doing his usual running/jumping/climbing and someone aimed a camera at him from 20 feet away, I'd just ask if they could send me copies.
    I think we have already established that it is reasonable for a person to wave off a photographer and say, "No pictures, please!" Most people here would respect that request, simply on grounds of personal respect.
    I think it is reasonable for a person to think that he or she can say that at any time. I don't think it's reasonable for a person to go off on a tirade without warning. If the photographer keeps shooting even after being asked, that's a different story.

    I think, in the case at hand, the woman was out of line. She could have simply hollered, "Hey! No pictures!"



    All of this talk about photographing kids gives me the impression that a hysteria is developing where ALL photos of children are suspect, regardless of who took them or why.

    Just recently, we had an incident where one of our own members, here on APUG, was questioned by the police for taking an innocent picture of his own kid!

    What's going to happen? Will it end up that anytime anybody ever takes a photo of a child, for any reason, he or she is going to be branded a pervert? Will we have photography police looking over our shoulders scrutinizing every photo we take to be sure we're not shooting kiddie porn?

    It's downright, freakin' weird!
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