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    I don't understand what these digiheads find to shoot all these thousands of shots of, I don't have digital gear, but I lug my film equipment for miles to find a subject that's worth shooting, they must be photographing some real garbage.
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    Quote Originally Posted by clayne View Post
    What are we actually debating here? The ability to machine gun a bunch of stuff and sort it all out later? Machine gun when it's necessary because of something happening so quickly. But to do it as standard is just bad discipline in the first place. Plenty of shots should never be taken but people do it anyway "just in case!". That mentality is flawed and reduces discipline.
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    Well, i feel shy or ashamed to say that i went to film only because of digital, how? Well, i started with digital SLR-like camera[point and shoot], then upgraded to DSLR, i was quit happy with DSLR until got some pro cameras then never looked back and my photography skill improved gradually.
    Then by sudden, i bought digital medium format, this changed my view, because of it i was asking myself: If this is the quality or power of digital MF, how is it with film MF or LF then, from there i started to read more about film and then bought MF first then LF later only and no 35mm film at all.

    To me, i can use both at high level of skill, i wasted many rolls as well trying to get used and understand film world, i am able to buy 100 rolls to just shoot for tests, but then i know that even with my digital i try not to shot over 200 shots for a scene, i only shoot over 200 in sports only because that is the field where the actions come as a factor, even with that i learnt about timings, but when i came to think about it, why in the HELL i buy a camera that expensive capable of 8-10+ fps and i must shoot at 1-2 fps? I bought it for sports mostly or mainly then i must use this feature, if i shoot landscape with digital i take long time to setup and settings and then shoot very minimal shots and move, people think if i have that camera to shoot 10fps then i must fire, not necessarily, i shoot 1-2 frames if i am all free and increase that if i am in very hurry, i am not that kind of photographer to shoot everything in slow time, even i know many PJs nowadays in my area who were shooting with film in the past told me they will never go back to film for their work, so what happened to that slowing down method then?

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    In case you forgot, machine gunning shots was happening long before digital.

    Motor drive Nikons were around in the early 70s at something like 10-12 frames per second.

    How you shoot is a personal choice. If you're deliberate and set up your shots and only take a few, that's a choice, as is firing off 100 at a time.

    Digital has nothing to do with any of this.
    I couldn't think of anything witty to say so I left this blank.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blansky View Post
    In case you forgot, machine gunning shots was happening long before digital.

    Motor drive Nikons were around in the early 70s at something like 10-12 frames per second.

    How you shoot is a personal choice. If you're deliberate and set up your shots and only take a few, that's a choice, as is firing off 100 at a time.

    Digital has nothing to do with any of this.
    From my experience of using real machine guns, you can fire hundreds of rounds and not do half as much damage to the enemy as aimed rifle fire from skilled and experienced infantrymen, but I digress.
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    I work at a University of California art department. One of the photo assignment is making a pinhole camera that allows one shot. The students really are careful not to waste that sheet of film or paper. They're shooting mindfully. They have to take the film and process it with great care. If they blow the shot, they have to reload the camera and do it again. The drudgery itself is a revelation of the analog world. You can't chimp a pinhole camera.
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    Quote Originally Posted by blansky View Post
    In case you forgot, machine gunning shots was happening long before digital.

    Motor drive Nikons were around in the early 70s at something like 10-12 frames per second.

    How you shoot is a personal choice. If you're deliberate and set up your shots and only take a few, that's a choice, as is firing off 100 at a time.

    Digital has nothing to do with any of this.
    Right. I met a guy a couple weeks ago who told me he shot 10,000 rolls of 35mm in 5 years when he was working for NatGeo.
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    Digit-heads usually just whack off as many shots as possible on the idea that out of lots and lots of shots something just HAS to be good. My niece did this at her wedding. It was the old Uncle Bill and his GOOD camera scenario. Her friend, (the Uncle Bill), ran around like an idiot with the DSLR constantly going and then they picked out 2 dozen from the 3100 and some the friend shot. The 3100+ included the reception so it was over several hours. But it was insane and very disruptive of the whole ceremony with flashes and changing batteries and whatever. Unbelievable. Their album they had made ended up with one good shot and 23 mediocre ones. 30 or 40 well timed or composed shots could have easily done the job.

    The display is turned off on my DSLR so I'd say I shoot it like film. I rarely look at any shots till I get home and stick the card in my laptop. My 32GB SD card will last for years.

    To me, film always has that anticipation factor of seeing what you really got and it's more than half the fun.
    All this has happened before, and all this will happen again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kb3lms View Post
    Digit-heads usually just whack off as many shots as possible on the idea that out of lots and lots of shots something just HAS to be good. My niece did this at her wedding. It was the old Uncle Bill and his GOOD camera scenario. Her friend, (the Uncle Bill), ran around like an idiot with the DSLR constantly going and then they picked out 2 dozen from the 3100 and some the friend shot. The 3100+ included the reception so it was over several hours. But it was insane and very disruptive of the whole ceremony with flashes and changing batteries and whatever. Unbelievable. Their album they had made ended up with one good shot and 23 mediocre ones. 30 or 40 well timed or composed shots could have easily done the job.

    The display is turned off on my DSLR so I'd say I shoot it like film. I rarely look at any shots till I get home and stick the card in my laptop. My 32GB SD card will last for years.

    To me, film always has that anticipation factor of seeing what you really got and it's more than half the fun.
    I think digital photography has really opened up the opportunity for many inexperienced photographers to develop their skills. I gave my daughter a Nikon D50 several years ago, and she has loved the camera. She doesn't hesitate to shoot a lot of photographs, and discard those that aren't really up to snuff. I've watched her doing the sorting, and as time has gone by the "keepers" really has grown substantially.

    I started in film photography many years ago, particularly after I purchased my first "real" 35mm camera, an original Nikon F with plain prism in 1964. Starting in 2005, I began to use a DSLR almost exclusively, and I used it generally in much the same way that I used my 35mm cameras. Each shot was composed and I didn't just fire away, even with a motor drive equipped camera. Those habits have generally continued with my DSLR's, although I certainly blast away when I'm trying to photograph birds in flight!

    Recently, I started using my Nikon F3HP again, and I thoroughly agree that the anticipation of seeing the results is half the fun!

    Jim

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    Quote Originally Posted by JimCee View Post
    I think digital photography has really opened up the opportunity for many inexperienced photographers to develop their skills. Jim
    I do agree. During the days of film, I spent too much money buying Polaroid type 669 learning about the dynamic range of transparency film and studio lighting. I could imagine that I were to learn again, I'd use digital to learn about lighting.
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