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    Quote Originally Posted by blansky View Post
    Of course missing from this obsession is the real purpose of photography.

    The actual subject.

    So while all this emotion is spent on semantics, process, naming and outrage, if the subject sucks then who really cares.
    From post #137...

    "It seems to me that most of the contributors here want to define it simply by how they use it."

    "Because this is what I do with it, this is what it is. And the corollary, How could it possibly be anything else? Which inevitably leads to, Those guys don't know what they are talking about!"


    What a thing is used for in no way definitively speaks to what it really is. Or how two things may differ. Lots of people successfully pound nails with the handle side of screwdrivers. That doesn't make a screwdriver a hammer.

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    Last edited by Ken Nadvornick; 08-27-2013 at 12:17 PM. Click to view previous post history. Reason: Better clarity...
    "When making a portrait, my approach is quite the same as when I am portraying a rock. I do not wish to impose my personality upon the sitter, but, keeping myself open to receive reactions from his own special ego, record this with nothing added: except of course when I am working professionally, when money enters in,—then for a price, I become a liar..."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ken Nadvornick View Post
    What a thing is used for in no way definitively speaks to what it really is. Or how two things may differ. Lots of people successfully pound nails with the handle side of screwdrivers. That doesn't make a screwdriver a hammer.

    Ken
    So if I take a picture with a camera, put on a piece of paper, mount it in a frame, and put it on the wall; what should I call it.
    Mark Barendt, Beaverton, OR

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    Quote Originally Posted by markbarendt View Post
    So if I take a picture with a camera, put on a piece of paper, mount it in a frame, and put it on the wall; what should I call it.
    A photograph?

    Ken
    "When making a portrait, my approach is quite the same as when I am portraying a rock. I do not wish to impose my personality upon the sitter, but, keeping myself open to receive reactions from his own special ego, record this with nothing added: except of course when I am working professionally, when money enters in,—then for a price, I become a liar..."

    — Edward Weston, Daybooks, Vol. II, February 2, 1932

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    If photography is not about the subject then why don't blind people make more photographs for other blind people?
    I couldn't think of anything witty to say so I left this blank.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ken Nadvornick View Post
    A photograph?

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    Does it matter what tools get it from scene to wall?
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    Quote Originally Posted by blansky View Post
    If photography is not about the subject then why don't blind people make more photographs for other blind people?
    I was just thinking that this thread didn't have enough petty bickering as it is and that we needed to start throwing innocent people under the bus to make our point...
    "Once the amateur's naive approach and humble willingness to learn fades away, the creative spirit of good photography dies with it. Every professional should remain always in his heart an amateur." - Alfred Eisenstadt

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    Quote Originally Posted by markbarendt View Post
    So if I take a picture with a camera, put on a piece of paper, mount it in a frame, and put it on the wall; what should I call it.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ken Nadvornick View Post
    A photograph?

    Ken
    Well you could certainly call it an "image" or a "print." From there it diverges a bit. I suppose given currently accepted usage you could certainly call it a "photograph" just as either an oil or water color is a painting, to use my analogy above.

    Quote Originally Posted by markbarendt View Post
    Does it matter what tools get it from scene to wall?
    It does to some of us, doesn't to others.

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    At what point does the validity argument end? This discussion is more pedantic than a sophomore art-history course on contemporary art.

    "But what is art?"

    "Is the chair art?"

    "Well it could be art to someone..."

    "If it's a handmade chair...but not from a factory."

    "But by that logic then Andy Warhol..."

    We put pictures on paper. That's about it.

    The argument isn't what car you took, or how many gears it has, or even if it has a funny procedure necessary to switch between them... but if the destination was worth the drive.
    See my work at my website CHRISTOPHER LANGE PHOTOGRAPHY

    or my snaps at my blog MINIMUM DENSITY
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    N.B.

    The whole mystique of FILM IS ART is bullshit, and an argument that would have been universally swatted down in a moments notice 15 years ago. One must remind oneself from time to time that our exclusive little club used to have everyone and their mother as members.
    See my work at my website CHRISTOPHER LANGE PHOTOGRAPHY

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    I don't read anyone saying that film is (necessarily) art or that digital (necessarily) isn't - that's a huge straw man. Either can be, either might not be. My position is simply that they are different arts, albeit that can also be merged in mixed media relatively easily.

    And for some of us driving is the point, not the destination. Not so much here in the suburbs of metro Atlanta but when I lived in Tennessee, and still when I go back to visit, I'd often enough just go driving in the mountains with no destination in mind, wind through some curves, feel the air through the sunroof and windows, run through the gears and end up exactly where I left never having stopped along my big loop. I'm far from alone in doing that sometimes.



 

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