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    Quote Originally Posted by RattyMouse View Post
    I've never met anyone who does not know that photographic sensors exist.
    My thought on his comment, was actually that hey maybe there's no film in the camera, because it's a wet plate

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    I regularly shoot JPEGs on d*g*t*l because it's good exposure practice. Can you imagine a film photographer saying "I don't worry about exposure because I can fix it under the enlarger"? That's exactly what RAW digital users advocate all the time. They do this because digital cameras do not promote a sense of confidence owing to the numerous layers of technical intervention - most of which are automated - that making an image requires. Chimping is the most obvious manifestation of this lack of confidence in the equipment, and pros are as guilty as amateurs.

    Turn off the screen, cancel RAW, blank the histograms and learn some vital exposure skills that transfer to film.

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    I use film mainly because I don´t have to worry if it´s going to end up raw, overcooked, jpeg or any other strange way. I suck in the kitchen...just kidding. I use film because photographing for me require huge motivation to stay up late at night or wait for the right light or find the right place or wait for the right clouds...can you imagine doing all that effort for a digital picture (whatever on earth that is)? Not even worth the thought for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blockend View Post
    Chimping is the most obvious manifestation of this lack of confidence in the equipment, and pros are as guilty as amateurs.
    This was my mistake. I trusted the camera to do the work for me. Lesson learned.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blockend View Post
    Can you imagine a film photographer saying "I don't worry about exposure because I can fix it under the enlarger"?
    Yep.

    Do it real regularly. I'm not the only one either.

    Can you imagine using a box camera, a disposable, a Holga, a Rollie 35 LED without the battery, ... ?

    It is easy and fun. The latitude of films like Delta 400, TMax 400 and 400 speed C-41 films is huge and allow essentially identical prints across their whole range.
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    I'm all for gadgets and technology (I work in IT), but the main problem is when we let the devices think for us - like the digital examples above. It can be difficult not to because of how they are designed, or because the ease of technology can be alluring.

    For me, aperture priority is about as automatic as I want my camera to go. If I have a bad picture (and I have many), I want it to be my fault, not because the camera thinks it knows what I want.
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    auto focus and aperture priority (or shutter priority) is about as automatic as I get. Sometimes I even override the auto focus, and if I'm shooting infrared, well that forces me to go completely manual. As for correcting exposure post-shutter release, that happens when prints are made from my medium format box camera.
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    As far as the whole automatic thing goes, the only thing I use that's automatic is the autofocus, even on my Dxxx I never use anything but M or B settings, if you can't take a picture using the manual settings, then you haven't trained yourself to really know your camera all that well, you really should be able to make all of those micro adjustments very easily without relying in any auto settings including Tv (shutter priority) or Av (aperture priority).

    I think that autofocus can be valuable, especially if your eyes are not good, or if it's a very fast motion seen, however mostly I use autofocus because the new camera lenses require you to use autofocus, they don't come with focusing screens, especially a split screen which is what I grew up using, and the throw on the lens is very short in comparison to the manual lenses which have a nice long throw so you can make small adjustments without going too far over, so auto focus is almost a requirement on the newer cameras, but that's about it, everything else I rely on is manual, obviously if you think about having an in camera meter as something that's "automatic" then obviously that is automatic too, but I'm not allowing the camera to make a decision, I'm just reading the data of the exposure levels that the camera reads, and making my own decisions about if I should follow them.

    So I basically shoot digital just like I shoot film, The only difference is the after processing, and although the two types are different, my actual processes are very much the same, I often end up pushing film because I like the contrasty look, and I often end up planning to "push" the digital file in Digital editing afterward (Lightroom 4) so to me, the ONLY reason I shoot film is my own self, The way that I personally handle the film give me a different result than it does with Digital, it's not that film is better, it's that film is different, film gives me the look I enjoy and so I shoot it for that purpose, it does slow me down to some degree especially if I'm using larger formats, but ultimately it's really about the type of image that I can produce using film versus digital.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hatchetman View Post
    This was my mistake. I trusted the camera to do the work for me. Lesson learned.
    It wasn't an accusation, just a general observation. Cameras have evolved to make everything foolproof, but that degree of automation comes at a price. Take auto focus - how can chasing a red dot around a viewfinder be easier than turning a focus ring? Probably because the ring, if it exists at all, will be a vestigial affair in no way suitable for manual focus.

    Exposure suffers the same level of automation, fine when it works, but on the occasions it doesn't getting to override the 'brain' and know how it will respond is an exercise in computing, not photography. We become dependent on gadgets at our peril.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blockend View Post
    We become dependent on gadgets at our peril.
    Well we could all shoot large format with a shutterless lenses and print with sunlight.

    Automating our processes is kinda like becoming dependent on electricity. I'm comfortable being dependent on electricity.
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