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    Quote Originally Posted by momus View Post
    Actually, I don't see any difference between setting everything manually and using an AE camera that gives you speed and aperture readings in the viewfinder, and an exposure lock feature. It gives all the information that you would get by manually doing things, and does it it a lot faster.
    I consider it to be just a different method of manual control.
    I do use a digital device in my photographic pursuits when necessary.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nikanon View Post
    There is nothing difficult about using a camera in manual, not unless the lens is difficult to turn or the camera is difficult to lift, it's not difficult. The brain power is not substituting the computer, it's the reverse...

    If anything it is much more complex to get a desired result when haggling with an unintelligent machine.
    You may be young, but you really get it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by markbarendt View Post
    Nikanon, that failure is just a characteristic, a limitation of auto focus systems not an electronic or mechanical failure.
    No, there really have been *bugs* of that nature in Canon's AF firmware on one or two occasions. I remember experiencing the problem where the 70-200/4L would focus behind where it said it was focussed on some of the early d*g*t*l bodies. If I remember correctly, it affected the confirmation LED in manual focus too.

    I guess it's possible to quibble about whether that's a "failure" or just a "limitation", but for practical purposes, when the system doesn't do what it says on the tin and what the feedback loop to the user says it's doing, I'd consider that a failure. But I don't think it has much to do with automatic vs. manual; it's the same kind of failure as "the rangefinder is off" or "the ground glass plane isn't perfect".

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    Quote Originally Posted by pbromaghin View Post
    As others have said above, use good equipment and you will get good pictures. If you want to expand beyond that, you better know what you're doing because your brain has to substitute for all that electronic brain power. Do you know more than a computer? Good luck, buddy.
    "All that electronic brain power" is not necessary, unless you want the machine to do all the work. Yes, I do know more than a computer, because I know what I want and I know how to get it. For all the sophistication of modern camera meters, they still choose just one shutter speed and one aperture value. Photographers had been doing that long before any kind of evaluative metering or any automation at all. Not all of them would choose the same exposure in the same situation, especially with B&W. A simple meter, together with some knowledge and experience and solid technique, is all it takes to get consistently good exposures. You will begin to find that you can determine a lot of your exposures without any meter at all. With experience, you should be able to look at a scene and say what f-stop and shutter speed you will use. With careful metering, you might refine that estimate some, but you will have gotten very close.
    To answer your question; yes, using a camera in manual mode is that difficult. But it is very rewarding. It's how I work almost all the time, but I screw up a lot.
    Understand what you're doing and why, and get a solid repeatable technique down, and your screwups will greatly diminish. I suggest you carry a gray card and use it to determine your manual settings. Or meter off your palm and increase a stop from that reading. That will get you spot-on or damn close. When I started metering that way my keeper rate as to exposure, with transparency film, became very high. With more experience it increased even more, to the point where I could go a little more or less to get just what I was after. With negative film, especially these days, that degree of accuracy isn't as critical. But not so long ago, I always exposed 100 ISO color negative differently from 100 ISO color positive film, to get the results I preferred and play to the film's strengths.
    I do use a digital device in my photographic pursuits when necessary.
    When someone rags on me for using film, I use a middle digit, upraised.

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    Quote Originally Posted by markbarendt View Post
    It is never the camera, or the meter, or the fancy computer in them, that screws up.

    As long as our cameras/meters are in good repair and have full batteries where needed, we only have ourselves to blame.
    I strongly disagree. My neighbor has a Canon DSLR, and she can tell you exactly when it will screw up. Most of the time the evaluative metering does a good job. But if her subject is in deep shade but with something fairly bright in the background, it will expose way dark. A plain old center-weighted meter would give a much better result. And while it normally focuses accurately, I took a picture of her little boy looking over a wall, and though the illuminated focus indicator was square on the kid's forehead, the wall surface below his head and 12 inches or so closer was what the camera decided to put in sharp focus.
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    Quote Originally Posted by blansky View Post
    I DO, I DO.....I remember it well.

    It's when you sneak up on a girl from behind, reach around her with both hands, locate her soft inviting perky targets .........and whammo, you double clutch.
    And then I woke up. Literally. On the ground with a swollen nose and a throbbing eye socket. I guess I just don't have your charm.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pdeeh View Post
    double de-clutching surely?
    or perhaps it was called differently in the US
    In the US it's called double clutching.

    Though Blansky has called it Double-D clutching, I'm sure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RalphLambrecht View Post
    what's an exposure triangle?
    It's one side of an exposure pyramid. You assemble the exposure pyramid out of exposure triangles and put it on your head, and through the magic of pyramid power, you instantly know the correct exposure!
    I do use a digital device in my photographic pursuits when necessary.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lxdude View Post
    My neighbor has a Canon digital, and she can tell you exactly when it will screw up.
    This is a good example of the point I'm trying to make.

    I'd hazard a guess that your neighbors camera might even be working "exactly as Canon programmed it".

    It is likely that the real problem is that Canon's engineers just didn't get things as "right" as they could have, so there is a flaw in the design. Luckily for us (and I'm using that term very loosely), machines don't normally screw up, for better or worse machines normally do exactly what they are designed to do and they do it exactly the same way every time. Machines in good repair are predictable.

    Conversely, when something breaks, or when I screw up, something random happens; the result isn't predictable.

    This is nothing new, one thing or another has always frustrated us about every camera or meter or lens or film or flash or whatever. Learning the quirks/characteristics of the tools in our hands has always be part of photography, it has always been the photographer's job to make it work; automation hasn't changed that role.
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    Quote Originally Posted by markbarendt View Post

    when something breaks, or when I screw up, something random happens; the result isn't predictable.
    The difference, as I see it, is between faults and characteristics. Any spot, limited area, center-weighted, or full averaging meter will behave characteristically of its type, regardless of what camera it is in. No AF system can know for sure which of multiple AF points is on the area of desired sharpest focus, so it must be told if that deviates from what would be most likely. That is a characteristic of all multi-point AF systems, though they may vary one to the next in what they choose, which the user must learn.

    But when a lens does not focus where it is told, or when the meter blows exposure so badly in certain situations that the photographer can only learn about it the hard way, i.e., it is not characteristic of all systems of that type, that's a fault.
    I do use a digital device in my photographic pursuits when necessary.
    When someone rags on me for using film, I use a middle digit, upraised.



 

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