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    Quote Originally Posted by Thomas Bertilsson View Post
    Find a dictionary.
    Uncharacteristically snarky Thomas - I guess this is a real sore spot with you. But ok:

    http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/artist


    art·ist
    [ahr-tist] Show IPA
    noun
    1.
    a person who produces works in any of the arts that are primarily subject to aesthetic criteria.
    2.
    a person who practices one of the fine arts, especially a painter or sculptor.
    3.
    a person whose trade or profession requires a knowledge of design, drawing, painting, etc.: a commercial artist.
    4.
    a person who works in one of the performing arts, as an actor, musician, or singer; a public performer: a mime artist; an artist of the dance.
    5.
    a person whose work exhibits exceptional skill.

    You seem to be using primarily meaning #5. I think of it as mostly meaning #1, or 2 when photography is included, which I think by now it should be.

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    This is strange! All manner of interpretations this way and that.

    Here in Australia, I am a long-standing practitioner member of the National Association of Visual Arts which is the umbrella organisation representing the interests of artists around the country. My listing in their services handbook is ARTIST PHOTOGRAPHER, and has been since 1997. It is not an archaic term by any stretch. I do not make it wished for that I am any sort of exclusive artist (but there are a few who definitely are), just that I am a photographer and produce photographic work to as very high finished standard. My brethren are yet more photographers, digital artists, animators, traditional brush and media practitioners, ceramic artists, sculptors, 3D modellers, abstract designer-artists and many more categories that would probably come across as obscure in this thread. We are all and one under many different categories. I'm sure other countries have organisations representing artists and their interest in professional and interactive practice.

    Photographers are also very commonly referred to as visual arts practitioners when they exhibit either solo or in a group. This might come across as a strange term to a lot of people; I think Photographer still says everything necessary and obvious, succinctly and without floss!

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    Sorry about snarky, but as you can see, it depends on how one interprets the word.

    To me 'artist', or the status of being one, is earned, by recognition of others.



    Quote Originally Posted by Roger Cole View Post
    Uncharacteristically snarky Thomas - I guess this is a real sore spot with you. But ok:

    http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/artist


    art·ist
    [ahr-tist] Show IPA
    noun
    1.
    a person who produces works in any of the arts that are primarily subject to aesthetic criteria.
    2.
    a person who practices one of the fine arts, especially a painter or sculptor.
    3.
    a person whose trade or profession requires a knowledge of design, drawing, painting, etc.: a commercial artist.
    4.
    a person who works in one of the performing arts, as an actor, musician, or singer; a public performer: a mime artist; an artist of the dance.
    5.
    a person whose work exhibits exceptional skill.

    You seem to be using primarily meaning #5. I think of it as mostly meaning #1, or 2 when photography is included, which I think by now it should be.
    "Often moments come looking for us". - Robert Frank

    "Make good art!" - Neil Gaiman

    "...the heart and mind are the true lens of the camera". - Yousuf Karsh

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    I had a print in an art show last month. My print was actually the only piece in the (one day) show that sold. I don't claim that makes me a GOOD photographer or even an "artist" much less a good one but what does one put in an art show? "Objects with pretension to art?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roger Cole View Post
    I had a print in an art show last month. My print was actually the only piece in the (one day) show that sold. I don't claim that makes me a GOOD photographer or even an "artist" much less a good one but what does one put in an art show? "Objects with pretension to art?"
    If you are a photographer you enter photographs, if you're a painter you enter a painting, if you're a screen printer you enter a screen print.

    Look, I'm not going to agree with you, and you're not going to agree with me. It's time to agree to disagree and move on, otherwise I'm just going to have to have the last word.
    "Often moments come looking for us". - Robert Frank

    "Make good art!" - Neil Gaiman

    "...the heart and mind are the true lens of the camera". - Yousuf Karsh

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    Hum, ok then. One guy did a performance too (wonderfully - and he's a friend of mine) so he, well, performed a performance.

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    Roger, if you are well known in arts circles, if you are a member of a professional organisation representing artists (visual or any other type), you and others will be known as artists, visual artists or arts practitioners as a term of professional acknowledgement of your craft and/or work. It it not about pretentious status. The other thing that here in Australia at least, artists do not have an Artist Wage; whatever income is derived from the production of work is the wage, and it can be well below the poverty line, thus many artists struggle, many more photographers struggle too. The very best work will not guarantee a sale. Reputation, community involvement, word-of-mouth and professional practice all combine to define the success (or failure) of practising artists (and photographers).

    True, too, photographers are regularly represented in art shows. Good that you sold a print. But to survive as a visual artist, you must sell several a week, continuously, every week. Every month. Every year.

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    Well I'm none of those things, nor do I call myself an artist, I was just tossing out a reason why the term maybe ought to be pretty broad. I entered a print in something billed as an art show (or actually "art ashram" see my post in the southeast region US forum here about it) along with other photos, paintings, sculptures, a performance piece etc.
    Last edited by Roger Cole; 02-12-2014 at 03:19 PM. Click to view previous post history.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roger Cole View Post
    Well I'm none of those things, nor do I call myself an artist, I just tossing out a reason why the term maybe ought to be pretty broad. I entered a print in something billed as an art show (or actually "art ashram" see my post in the southeast region US forum here about it) along with other photos, paintings, sculptures, a performance piece etc.
    Congratulations, Roger. You are now a Artist Practitioner-Licentiate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sirius Glass View Post
    The difference between you and Roger is that you are right and Roger is wrong.
    Um, ok then. Glad we got that sorted out!



 

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