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    Quote Originally Posted by Roger Cole View Post
    Hum, ok then. One guy did a performance too (wonderfully - and he's a friend of mine) so he, well, performed a performance.
    I hope it was a good performance. Was it a dance, maybe butoh, sketch, or perhaps a comedy act? Perhaps it was a song, pantomime, or a soliloquy?
    "Often moments come looking for us". - Robert Frank

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    Quote Originally Posted by Poisson Du Jour View Post
    Congratulations, Roger. You are now a Artist Practitioner-Licentiate.
    There we go. Something like a formal wannta-be, huh?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thomas Bertilsson View Post
    Yes, I do judge, and I'm not ashamed of it either. (People judge all the time, but just don't like to admit it).

    And in my judgmental ways I think calling yourself an artist is pretentious. Why? To be an artist assumes a high degree of skill, that you are very good at what you do. To be the judge of your own skill and deem it very high and to therefore call yourself an artist is - pretentious (to present yourself to be more impressive than you maybe really are).

    'Photographer', 'Painter', 'Sculptor', etc is simply more honest and to the point, and doesn't sound like anything other than exactly what one does to express.
    So my wife should refer to herself as a printmaker, photographer, painter, sketcher who occassionaly does clay work? Or instead of saying a printmaker should she say woodblock, lino, serigraph, etching (and that too can be broken down) printmaker?

    When I hear a person when asked what they do and they answer they are a photographer I think commercial or wedding photographer whereas artist more likely means they are shooting for themselves same as a painter does rather than on commissions or as paid jobs.

    In the end words are for communicating and when we need to replace a word or two with a couple of sentences that may almost convey the same idea then communications is weakened not strenghtened.

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    Quote Originally Posted by redrockcoulee View Post
    So my wife should refer to herself as a printmaker, photographer, painter, sketcher who occassionaly does clay work? Or instead of saying a printmaker should she say woodblock, lino, serigraph, etching (and that too can be broken down) printmaker?

    When I hear a person when asked what they do and they answer they are a photographer I think commercial or wedding photographer whereas artist more likely means they are shooting for themselves same as a painter does rather than on commissions or as paid jobs.

    In the end words are for communicating and when we need to replace a word or two with a couple of sentences that may almost convey the same idea then communications is weakened not strenghtened.
    Different interpretations, which is what makes the world interesting.

    I don't agree with you, because I look at a person's work to see what they do, not their title. Hopefully the title is representative, and I see absolutely nothing wrong with using the words you used above; print maker, painter, etc.
    "Often moments come looking for us". - Robert Frank

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    Art, strictly defined, is a man with no arms and no legs attached to a wall.

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    Only if that body that has been attached to the wall is male rather than being female... or the one the somewhat strange fellow at the local wine bar who is commonly referred to, and known to the locals, as "Shirley"

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    But they're ever so small that's why rain is thin.
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    The word that does it for me is "contemporary" , every thing has to have contemporary added to it to make it sound desirable.

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    Not exclusively a photo term these days but one I hate is "vintage."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roger Cole View Post
    Not exclusively a photo term these days but one I hate is "vintage."
    +1

    ESPECIALLY when it's hot off the assembly line. It cannot POSSIBLY be vintage. Thankfully this hasn't seemed to creep too far into the photography world, yet.

    I guess with selling gear, it really bugs me when people will list things in the following manner: "Vintage 1968 Nikon F" or "Vintage Nikon F made in 1968"

    DUH. It's vintage. It was made in 1968. We can read.
    New-ish convert to film.
    Pentax MX for 35mm
    Bronica ETRS for 645

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roger Cole View Post
    Not exclusively a photo term these days but one I hate is "vintage."
    Give me a couple more decades and I'll be a vintage artist...
    At least with LF landscape, a bad day of photography can still be a good day of exercise.



 

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