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    Quote Originally Posted by TheFlyingCamera View Post
    I never said they were distasteful and disrespectful. But I do see them as taking advantage of the subjects because they DO dehumanize them in the sense that the people are reduced to symbols or even graphic forms. They have been essentialized into a dehumanized stand-in for homelessness and disability. That is both a strength and weakness of the medium - the ability to transform a subject from specific to generic, or rather to allow the subject to inhabit both specific and generic spaces simultaneously, because the subject is so uniquely detailed that you can't see them exclusively allegorically.
    scott

    thats what photography is reducing things down to a graphical symbolic form.
    you might think his images are dehumanizing, i find them to be just the opposite
    unfortunately the lions share of photography in this day and age
    doesnt do it well.

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    couldnt agree more cliveh
    too much disrespect out there,
    all we can do is buck the trend i suppose ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by irvd2x View Post
    You noticed him with your camera,made a wonderful photograph,..but,as someone who lived out of my Jeep for awhile,I hope you at least noticed him with a sandwich or some offer for some level of assistance.

    I remember finding a five dollar bill and feeling a qave of relief.It meant I could buy an endless cup of coffee at Denny,which in turn gave me access to an outlet to charge my phone which in turn helped me do job searching,and more importantly,use my cellphone camera to photograph everyday.It kept me mentally stable just to do something productive.For me,photography,even as primitive as using an old 3mp little device,was that in composing the image..I was in the present.I wasnt struggling with my past, or despairing about an improbable future,but rather..as I looked through the viewfinder my mind is filled with the evidence that at least in THIS monent,and in THIS light, I can see something good,beautiful,and right.
    It is a redemptive process..all because that day,I had five bucks.

    Many homeless are mentally ill.I can tell you, if you are not beaten down before you became homeless..you will be.The energy to do each day what we all take for granted is enormous.

    So..take the photograph, then say a prayer, then offer something more if you can..even conversation.A persons biggest fight is for some sense of inner dignity..even if.on the outside it looks like that battle has been lost.

    Well,the subject hit close to home(no pun intended).But to add another..being homeless is no walk in the park..but sometimes..thats all it is.

    Here is an image or two from that time.


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    thanks, and i hope things are good these days.
    i offer a sandwich or gift card to a grocery store as often as i can.
    unfortunately some people roll their eyes and suggest i am
    " part of the problem " as they climb into their chevy taho oe caddy escalade
    all alone and speed off to get another latte ...

    nice images too

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    Are you going to just photograph homeless people, or actually going to do something positive to help their circumstance? Payment perhaps?
    I was homeless myself in the 1980s. There are friendships that are formed and interdependencies and bonds built over time. If somebody leaves or dies, it affects the whole group. I am not aware of photographers in Melbourne, here in Victoria, actively seeking out homeless people in their known places, especially since recently a homeless man was murdered in a thrill kill by a teenager. To me, it is morally corrupt to photograph homeless people either as documentary or presumed interest in the finished image — it's a difficult, cold, lonely and risky life of nobody's own particular choice in many cases. So if you are going to photograph people form a friendship and provide a small token of sustenance to see them through another night. It makes the world of difference.


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    I think the photographer should ask himself..."Am I really concerned over the plight of the homeless, or am I merely trying to massage my own image"? .....It's not difficult to go to some deprived area and come back with "meaningful" pictures of the poor and the dispossesed. What is far more difficult and a true test of talent is to take the kind of street pictures Cartier Bresson was known for...Pictures containing wit and humour, taking the ordinary everyday situation and turning it into something almost poetic. ....If you can do that then you can justifiably call yourself a photographer.

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    On the reverse side of the coin, I was once walking down a subway and noticed 3 or 4 girls who were begging. I happen to know that they all came from middle class families and were doing this as a sort of experimental sport, but at their age they regarded it as fun.

    “The contemplation of things as they are, without error or confusion, without substitution or imposture, is in itself a nobler thing than a whole harvest of invention”

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    Quote Originally Posted by Poisson Du Jour View Post
    To me, it is morally corrupt to photograph homeless people either as documentary or presumed interest in the finished image — it's a difficult, cold, lonely and risky life of nobody's own particular choice in many cases.
    hi pdj

    is it ever not bad?
    i understand where you, cliveh and fc are coming from ...
    but if a person did the things you suggest, help, feed, enable
    a homeless person and the series didnt degrade, humiliate
    but did the opposite and humbled the onlooker to realize
    it can happen in an instant to anyone ... would it still be
    morally corrupt?
    while it seems that i think anything goes, i dont.

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    My point is that it is an ugly thing to do to point a camera at a homeless person, or group of homeless — I have seen such rude and arrogant behaviour from photographers and tourists photographing groups of homeless that it is no surprise to see them rail at these sticky beaks. In a world this size there is much more to occupy photographers than seek out easy prey of homeless people with a camera. In a nutshell, leave them alone.


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    I appreciate your comment and your approach to this issue.Let others roll their eyes..the day may come where their eyes will roll for different reason.None are immune from hard times.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Poisson Du Jour View Post
    Are you going to just photograph homeless people, or actually going to do something positive to help their circumstance? Payment perhaps?
    I was homeless myself in the 1980s. There are friendships that are formed and interdependencies and bonds built over time. If somebody leaves or dies, it affects the whole group. I am not aware of photographers in Melbourne, here in Victoria, actively seeking out homeless people in their known places, especially since recently a homeless man was murdered in a thrill kill by a teenager. To me, it is morally corrupt to photograph homeless people either as documentary or presumed interest in the finished image — it's a difficult, cold, lonely and risky life of nobody's own particular choice in many cases. So if you are going to photograph people form a friendship and provide a small token of sustenance to see them through another night. It makes the world of difference.
    Amen to that..well said,brother.

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    The wealthy, Rush Limbaugh people think that "these people" like to live like this. What a tradegy..we have uber billionaires in this nation and people who need to collect cans, sleep in doorways and eat garbage.. WTF, we are asking about photographing them???

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