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    Quote Originally Posted by Shawn Dougherty View Post
    While I certainly enjoy short, insightful quotes and the lines of thought which they can generate I also recognize their inherent inability to capture the true complexities of life. I believe this is just such a case, nanian. Photography IS about photographing the light... but it's also about other things as well and just what those other things are vary from person to person.
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    “The contemplation of things as they are, without error or confusion, without substitution or imposture, is in itself a nobler thing than a whole harvest of invention”

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    i guess sometimes i have a hard time seeing the forest through the trees.
    while im a skeptic i'll have an open mind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gandolfi View Post
    the more I photograph, the more I think it is (for me) the lack of light that defines my images... We "set" the light - but we also use that to define the shadows - and the shadows makes the form/mystery which is important for me....
    It's like the empty spaces between musical notes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by frank View Post
    It's like the empty spaces between musical notes.
    yes!! which is the most impotrant ones....

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    Quote Originally Posted by frank View Post
    It's like the empty spaces between musical notes.
    You're supposed to leave spaces?!!!


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    "People who say things won't work are a dime a dozen. People who figure out how to make things work are worth a fortune" - Dave Rat.

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    Sometimes there are only spaces (see John Cage).

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    thanks for the responses ...

    if the images were about the light / lack of it
    is the work to be considered "avante guard" or "conceptual" ?
    often times when i hear things described like that
    or in similar ways it is the precursor to
    the images that are kind of out-there
    ( yeah i know, some of my photographs are out there too )
    thanks for the music references
    some of john cage's work is definitely considered avant guare /conceptual / out there by some

    i am going out on a limb by suggesting that most of the imagery made with film is not too far out of
    the main stream ( or pictorial / arts-crafts mainstream of the early 1900s)
    photographs made of things that exist
    or compilations of physical things ( combination prints &c )
    but at the same time suggesting it is a record of the light or
    not about the light. this means
    to me at least less about people who make it describe it conceptually
    rather than another way .. it leads me to wonder
    if all photography is always conceptual ( i started a thread here years ago asking the same question )

    so, i guess light is always the mcguffen, and something else might be the subject
    unless it is actually the light and its interaction with other things in the field of view
    or the onlooker ( person with the camera ) ..
    conceptual not conceptual its always about the light ...


    hoping he hasnt offended anyone who chases light &c,
    just trying to figure it out
    john
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    Quote Originally Posted by jnanian View Post
    i am going out on a limb by suggesting that most of the imagery made with filmis not too far out of
    the main stream ( or pictorial / arts-crafts mainstream of the early 1900s) and some of the people who make it
    describe it conceptually ?
    You probably are, but you don't mind going out on limbs, right? :-)

    All kiddin' aside, I'd tend to agree, though I guess it depends on what you consider to be the mainstream. Maybe it's more precise to say that most film images are not too far removed from being "a photograph *of* ________", i.e., a reasonably literal representation of a subject. Maybe it's distorted by lens effects or perspective, maybe it's flattened to black and white, or whatever, but it's pretty rare to see a photograph that can't be described in terms of the object(s) depicted.

    As for the "conceptual" descriptions, is the situation any different from artist's statements in other media? There's really no objective way to tell when the artist's discussion of a work contains important insight vs. being a bunch of self-important intellectual puff pastry.

    As I write this I'm looking at one of my images on the wall and I can come up with endless different explanations for it, with various artistic tones. Give me a paragraph for an artist's statement and I can make it be a commentary on Anglo imperialism, a glorious capture of some beautiful light, a celebration of border fusion culture, or a tequila advertisement, and that's just off the top of my head and without deploying any conscious contrarianism or heavy lit-crit machinery. I actually think that's a worthwhile exercise; try it with one of your own photos, Gentle Reader, and see how many different Concepts you can squeeze out of it.

    So I'm skeptical about attaching much importance to "some of the people who make it describe it conceptually". Maybe their descriptions mean something about the images, or just about the artistic Self they want to project, or the expectations they perceive themselves to work under, and so on.

    John, you'll enjoy this essay if you don't know it already, I suspect: http://web.pdx.edu/~singlem/coursesite/ddfos.html. (SFW, no images.) The relevance to this discussion is indirect, but I think real nonetheless.

    -NT
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    thanks nathan
    i agree,
    anything can be about anything
    its all open to interpretation ...

    i'm reminded of someone i know who left
    photographs outside, nailed to trees for 6 months
    and it was part of a series about human aging
    and her turning 40 or 50 or something ...

    i checked out the link .. yeah ...
    there is a connection, a deep one

    the thread i started way back when is vanishes
    but i found something else .. sorta
    http://www.apug.org/forums/newreply....reply&p=911682

    photography is an interesting medium
    its about 100s of different thing or nothing at all
    its about state of mind setting, illusion artspeak
    as well as something simple and undefinable..

    the ultimate chameleon i supose
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