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    And they usually end up being neither.

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    "When making a portrait, my approach is quite the same as when I am portraying a rock. I do not wish to impose my personality upon the sitter, but, keeping myself open to receive reactions from his own special ego, record this with nothing added: except of course when I am working professionally, when money enters in,—then for a price, I become a liar..."

    — Edward Weston, Daybooks, Vol. II, February 2, 1932

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    Quote Originally Posted by Prof_Pixel View Post
    Some people also believe: "I'd rather be lucky than good"
    And looking at all the great masters, most of their photos are "contrived". Even in the final print they are manipulated.
    From the moment you choose a film and put the viewfinder to your eye, to the final output, the whole process is arranged and manipulated.

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    Spontaneously Arranged.
    - Derek
    [ Insert meaningless camera listing here ]

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    Whatever it takes. If something has to be moved or removed, so be it. I want a good picture, and I don't see an old tuna can in the scene as an added feature. Photography is a form of expression, and you should be able to express yourself any way you like.

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    I generally only take people shots, and generally like to arrange/plan/contrive every element.

    If I had the patience to learn to paint, I'd do that. But in the alternative, photography works.
    I shoot digital when I have to (most of those shots end up here) and film (occasionally one of those shots ends up here) when I want to.

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    Whenever I try to arrange something it looks contrived.

    So more often I take the existing arrangement without alteration. I may pick up a beer can, but I'd do that anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hdeyong View Post
    Whatever it takes. If something has to be moved or removed, so be it. I want a good picture, and I don't see an old tuna can in the scene as an added feature. Photography is a form of expression, and you should be able to express yourself any way you like.
    For my own part, I want a true picture, not a good picture. The internet is overflowing with good pictures.

    If the tuna can is there, it's there. It's part of the picture or there is no picture. Personally I get very excited when I see a tuna can.

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    Doisneau's images we're all arranged/staged to some extent. He still produced the best images, unrivalled today.

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    How about this guy? He leverages chaos with his own sense or order. To me contrived photographers and artist are self-concise. I like to be in the moment and not control everything. I try to let go and see what the moment and the Universe offers. But this takes practice.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7bICqvmKL5s

    I hate highly contrived photos from the 80's like these.http://www.amazon.com/Secrets-Studio.../dp/0817458980
    “We are buried beneath the weight of information, which is being confused with knowledge; quantity is being confused with abundance and wealth with happiness.
    We are monkeys with money and guns.”

    ― Tom Waits

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    I narrow this down to still life like pictures of small objects - where a arrangement is not too diffcult (of course also for other subjects the framing is a form of arrangement and I also would think putting away some irritating trash is some but a mild arrangement).

    Then I see three different cases in my images:

    In some images I simply document found objects, with no special framing, e.g.:

    http://www.apug.org/gallery1/showima...mageuser=33326
    http://www.apug.org/gallery1/showima...mageuser=33326
    http://www.apug.org/gallery1/showima...mageuser=33326

    In other images my framing is a major manipulation, e.g.:

    http://www.apug.org/gallery1/showima...mageuser=33326
    http://www.apug.org/gallery1/showima...mageuser=33326
    http://www.apug.org/gallery1/showima...mageuser=33326

    And in a few cases (mostly if I try to illustrate some topic) I do arrange the objects, e.g.:

    http://www.apug.org/gallery1/showima...mageuser=33326
    http://www.apug.org/gallery1/showima...mageuser=33326

    And if I now think about it, the images of the second category are often the strongest ones, while the ones in the first category (only documenting) and the ones in the third category (arranged setup) are often weaker - an inspiring question is discussed in this thread!

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