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    I'm totally against this, it's idiotic.

    If the woman didn't want images of her naked body to exist, then she shouldn't have allowed them to be taken, period. If she doesn't like it, then maybe she will learn not to do it in the future....

    People want to take no responsibility for their own actions and their own mistakes and want to blame others.

    Some of my best nude work have been intimate moments with my ex's... Of course I'm smart enough to obtain a model release, but still, they are my photos, period...

    This kind of demand from the court would actually just make me lash out and post the images on the internet when I wasn't planning to... Don't mess with my photos, yes MY photos... And the government needs to stay out of MY personal business...

    Good thing I'm not German...
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    Quote Originally Posted by StoneNYC View Post
    I'm totally against this, it's idiotic.

    If the woman didn't want images of her naked body to exist, then she shouldn't have allowed them to be taken, period. If she doesn't like it, then maybe she will learn not to do it in the future....

    People want to take no responsibility for their own actions and their own mistakes and want to blame others.

    Some of my best nude work have been intimate moments with my ex's... Of course I'm smart enough to obtain a model release, but still, they are my photos, period...

    This kind of demand from the court would actually just make me lash out and post the images on the internet when I wasn't planning to... Don't mess with my photos, yes MY photos... And the government needs to stay out of MY personal business...

    Good thing I'm not German...
    I think if you have a model release, that's a different issue.

    Legalities aside, the considerate thing to do is respect the wishes of the person depicted, whether you used to have sex with them or not. You also have responsibilities for your picture taking behavior, which ironically, you are saying should always be blamed on the other party. People change (at least some do); what they agree to willingly now may become an embarrassment or a humiliation or cause all sorts of personal problems later. Unless you have a release, that seems to trump the affront to your artistic sensibilities
    Nice work. You have a very talented computer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wayne View Post
    I think if you have a model release, that's a different issue.

    Legalities aside, the considerate thing to do is respect the wishes of the person depicted, whether you used to have sex with them or not. You also have responsibilities for your picture taking behavior, which ironically, you are saying should always be blamed on the other party. People change (at least some do); what they agree to willingly now may become an embarrassment or a humiliation or cause all sorts of personal problems later. Unless you have a release, that seems to trump the affront to your artistic sensibilities
    I agree absolutely people have a responsibility to others...

    There's are many models I don't display online because they have asked me to only include their work in published books, I respect that.

    That said, I don't ALWAYS have a release, but do often if it's a long term thing and I'm shooting art content.

    But the fact is, owning them and displaying them are different.

    And I feel that I should not be told I can't own something once freely given because they changed their minds about it.

    That's like saying if I had sex with someone, and then next week or next year they decided they didn't want to have sex with me, that they could have me charged with rape... I'm using this extreme to illustrate the point...

    It's a slippery slope... Next the court will say I can't own photos of my ex in clothing because she doesn't want me to look at her anymore. Or that all family photographs with Aunt Judy in them need to be confiscated an destroyed because they are having a family fued...

    It's ridiculous. You made your choices in the past, if you believe you made a mistake, learn from it and move on, but you can't change the past, and you shouldn't be able to take things away from people that were freely given.... Simply because you changed your mind later...
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    I will stop posting, apparently my perspective isn't ok to share here because it is unpopular.
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    Quote Originally Posted by StoneNYC View Post
    I will stop posting, apparently my perspective isn't ok to share here because it is unpopular.
    Don't stop Stone, in Ethics and Philosophy subforum is often like that. Every perspective is appreciated .

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    Quote Originally Posted by StoneNYC View Post
    I will stop posting, apparently my perspective isn't ok to share here because it is unpopular.
    Stone:
    Your perspective is fine to share. It is just that you need to be able to understand that there are good reasons why it might not be shared by others.
    If someone in an intimate relationship agrees to an intimate photograph, and then later has second thoughts, then I think that change of mind needs to be taken seriously.
    The original nature of the relationship is important, as is the understanding in place at the time the shots were taken, and the subsequent use of those photos.
    If the photos were intended to be shared only between the photographer and the subject, that intention should be honoured. If the intention was always clear that the photos would be shared publically (the signed model release would be excellent evidence of that), then that intention should be given good weight.
    That being said, if the subject in a nude photograph doesn't want it shared, and that wish can be honoured without breaking other commitments, it is a really respectful choice to honour that wish.
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    Ansel Adams, from the introduction to The Negative - The New Ansel Adams Photography Series / Book 2

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    Quote Originally Posted by StoneNYC View Post
    I agree absolutely people have a responsibility to others...

    There's are many models I don't display online because they have asked me to only include their work in published books, I respect that.

    That said, I don't ALWAYS have a release, but do often if it's a long term thing and I'm shooting art content.

    But the fact is, owning them and displaying them are different.

    And I feel that I should not be told I can't own something once freely given because they changed their minds about it.

    That's like saying if I had sex with someone, and then next week or next year they decided they didn't want to have sex with me, that they could have me charged with rape... I'm using this extreme to illustrate the point...

    It's a slippery slope... Next the court will say I can't own photos of my ex in clothing because she doesn't want me to look at her anymore. Or that all family photographs with Aunt Judy in them need to be confiscated an destroyed because they are having a family fued...

    It's ridiculous. You made your choices in the past, if you believe you made a mistake, learn from it and move on, but you can't change the past, and you shouldn't be able to take things away from people that were freely given.... Simply because you changed your mind later...
    Its all about control. I think a better analogy to your rape analogy would be that the photographer would expect the subject to still have sex with them even though they have changed their mind. When you possess sexually explicit photos, you have control over the person. People change their minds. The agreement to take the photos involved two (or more) people, and one of them is now absent.
    Nice work. You have a very talented computer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wayne View Post
    Its all about control. I think a better analogy to your rape analogy would be that the photographer would expect the subject to still have sex with them even though they have changed their mind. When you possess sexually explicit photos, you have control over the person. People change their minds. The agreement to take the photos involved two (or more) people, and one of them is now absent.
    Control seems a bit strong. That would be tantamount to extortion.

    I do not presume to tell Germany what to do. However, with no model release, they should be kept private. IMHO.

    While I have never photographed nudes, were it an ex, they would have been deleted/destroyed long ago. When a relationship was over, the last thing I wanted to look at was her picture; with or without clothing...

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    Quote Originally Posted by StoneNYC View Post
    And the government needs to stay out of MY personal business...

    Good thing I'm not German...
    -) this is not a government thing

    -) even the legislation I hinted at is not a government thing

    -) this is a court decicion, contrary to photographic law. It can be tested at higher courts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MattKing View Post
    Stone:

    If the photos were intended to be shared only between the photographer and the subject, that intention should be honoured.
    But the guy never planned to publish those photos - they would stay only between those 2 persons. What I see as problematic is that they ordered him to destroy the photos simply because he was having them - not because he was planing to publish them.

    Let's not go into enforceable thing again. And yes - I see potential damage (it is not clear situation), that is why I called it a dilemma. But all this is potential. Are we are going in "Minority report" movie (short story) direction?

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