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    Thanks to the efforts of Adams, Newhall and others, photography achieved hard-won respect as another artistic media. The respect was grudgingly given by many. Now, the term photography is becoming synonymous with digital imagery. The latter has stepped on the toes of many practicing artists including watercolorists, oil painters and even sculpturists with 3D printers. The general public perceives digital as easy like the old Kodak ad - you click the button and the software/hardware does the rest. Photography is again becoming viewed as non-artistic. Do we concede the term photography and move on to some specialist term such as Palladium Printer?
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    Not again, this perennial self conscious question that people who take photographs keep asking themselves because they feel they are the poor relations of fine art, I'm out of here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by benjiboy View Post
    Not again, this perennial self conscious question that people who take photographs keep asking themselves because they feel they are the poor relations of fine art, I'm out of here.
    Perhaps he biggest threat to continuing to regard photographs as art comes from the passive response by photographers to that perception. It's not just a self-conscious question, it's the defeatist attitude that accepts it. Allowing art to be defined by others without some aggressive pushback is what makes us feel like poor relations.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CatLABS View Post
    Art is what you get to call stuff after you spent a quarter mil that will never come back on "education", everything else is finger painting.
    Don't underestimate finger painting. It can be elevated to fine art in the hands (or fingers?) of an artist or by a competent gallery manager. A few years ago I met a talented artist from McLouth KS who was selling her finger paintings for thousands, and they were a bargain compared to many gallery offerings.

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    Photography was not generally accepted as an artform until the late 60's early 70's.

    But now it certainly is.

    Art galleries and museums do exhibit a lot of photography.

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    The analogy to poetry is apt... I've often thought of photography as being its own language. Like language the words can become art, document, novel, poetry, etc.

    I think intent is important, but not as valuable as, say, persistence. I consider many of the pictures I make to be art, and many to be snapshots. Sometimes, I intend to make art, but end up with snaps, and sometimes the snaps elevate themselves to art without my really trying. Art is what we say it is (and I daresay, we have Duchamp' Fountain to thank for that notion). For me, photography is often art, sometimes it's just a photograph, and sometimes it's bad art, but still art.

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    I don't see a problem with the question "what is/isn't art?" coming up every so often. However I do think it is a futile discussion topic (other than for the sake of discussion/debate) because regardless of how academic you want to be about it, ultimately it is a matter of individual opinion. I don't think a consensus can ever be reached.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SuzanneR View Post
    The analogy to poetry is apt... I've often thought of photography as being its own language. Like language the words can become art, document, novel, poetry, etc.

    I think intent is important, but not as valuable as, say, persistence. I consider many of the pictures I make to be art, and many to be snapshots. Sometimes, I intend to make art, but end up with snaps, and sometimes the snaps elevate themselves to art without my really trying. Art is what we say it is (and I daresay, we have Duchamp' Fountain to thank for that notion). For me, photography is often art, sometimes it's just a photograph, and sometimes it's bad art, but still art.

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    I think the discussion of good art vs bad art is even more contentious than the discussion of art vs non-art.

    Sometimes great art is created with no intention at all. One example from photography is Eugene Atget. He was something of a professional failure who took to photographing backgrounds and objects, to sell these photos for use in painters' studios.

    He and his photos were derided by art critics at the time (early 20th century France) but now he's seen as one of the fathers of photography.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jnanian View Post
    once in a blue moon it is art ... most of the time it is just a photograph
    So very very true.
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