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    new collection of local photography-related myths

    I was hesitating whether or not this is a topic for E&P or for the lounge, but since it pertains to photography, I've posted it here at the risk of being banned to the lounge ;-)

    Here, in the neck of the woods called Holland, older people with cameras often tell us that 'naturally' they have a camera especially for use with slide film and one for use with negative film. This is always said with an air of authority, as if we're all supposed to have been let into this secret photographic knowledge. This 'mythical' distinction between the world of slides and the world of negs finds an echo in photography magazines from the fifties and sixties - at least one article per month mentions this difference. I've come across columns titled 'color & slide' - and they weren't about color slide film, oh no!

    To us, the modern generation (haha) this sounds like a load of crap. I wouldn't even want to consider having two sets of cameras for each type of film, no thanks, bloody hell, our gear is heavy enough as it is.

    But what we wonder is (and you don't have to answer this question): where does this local folklore stem from? Does it have any footing in reality? Or is this a genuine example of the Dutch having fabricated a fabulous myth? -- (and because the Dutch 'always know best' -one of our least well known, yet very pervasive national characteristics - , this myth never gets eradicated)

    Has anyone come across this 'myth' outside of Holland? Or can you tell what would be the typical bogus story about photography in your neck of the woods? Consider this question as a very important bit of field work in the area of cultural anthropology of analogous photography...all right, you can skip the last sentence, been reading too many governmet documents on cultural heritage lately...

    But... I am looking forward to your tales of lore,
    Norm

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    years ago, a lot of us carried two cameras; one color one black and white.

    This was my reality,not myth.

    When i began to focus only on black and white (late 70-'s), i stopped, not carrying one for each, but carrying only cameras with black and white films.

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    Clearly, this is why Calumet has one set of house-brand lenses called "Caltar II-S" and another set called "Caltar II-N", for slides and negatives respectively. Thanks for taking care of another mystery!

    Of course they haven't made these two lines simultaneously, so perhaps we'll have to wait for another "S" series to update our slide lenses.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ann
    years ago, a lot of us carried two cameras; one color one black and white.

    This was my reality,not myth.
    yes, there are still people who do that, but these people have cameras with no interchangeable backs!... (like I own to Kievs 60 for this purpose). Of course, lens quality was another issue at play back in the sixties - the 'color corrected Ross Xpress' springs to mind.

    However, we were wondering about the difference between color slide film and color negative film. The only feasable theory I've come up with, is that slide film does not have the latitude that negative film offers and that HENCE one 'needs' a (35mm) camera that meters the light precisely and adequately when shooting slides. But perhaps I'm mistaken or forgetting something?

    Interesting:
    Clearly, this is why Calumet has one set of house-brand lenses called "Caltar II-S" and another set called "Caltar II-N", for slides and negatives respectively. Thanks for taking care of another mystery!
    And what exactly is the difference between these lenses? Coating? Lens design? I never laid hands on a Caltar lens, so to me they are terra incognita.

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    Quote Originally Posted by medform-norm
    And what exactly is the difference between these lenses? Coating? Lens design? I never laid hands on a Caltar lens, so to me they are terra incognita.
    I'm just joking around. The Caltar II-S series lenses were made by Schneider, and the Caltar II-N series are made by Rodenstock. They are the same lenses sold by Schneider and Rodenstock, but rebranded and serviced by Calumet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by David A. Goldfarb
    I'm just joking around. The Caltar II-S series lenses were made by Schneider, and the Caltar II-N series are made by Rodenstock. They are the same lenses sold by Schneider and Rodenstock, but rebranded and serviced by Calumet.
    You had me there!

    Yet another myth was about to be born...thanks for debunking me.

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    REAL photographers carry two cameras for B&W negative alone. One for low contrast scenes and one for high contrast scenes, so that you can optimize exposure and development for scene contrast. With the aforementioned color slide and color neg cameras, we're now up to four cameras! Of course you could carry one digital camera, I've been told they do everything well...

    Very often when I'm photographing with my 5x7 camera, I'm asked if I'm shooting with a "postcard" camera. Everyone else seems to know about "postcard" cameras, except me. Any APUGers shed some light on this one?

    Good one, David. It is of course why there are Carl Zeiss T* lenses, for transparencies, of course.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Duffy

    Very often when I'm photographing with my 5x7 camera, I'm asked if I'm shooting with a "postcard" camera. Everyone else seems to know about "postcard" cameras, except me. Any APUGers shed some light on this one?
    A 'postcard' camera, don't they mean a camera they normally only see on postcards?

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    There was such a thing as a "postcard" camera at one time (no kidding) that shot negatives in postcard format (I forget exactly what the dimensions were), but somehow I suspect that's not what people are asking about with your 5x7".

    Here's a page on postcard format cameras--

    http://www.vintagephoto.tv/postcard.shtml
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    Quote Originally Posted by David A. Goldfarb
    There was such a thing as a "postcard" camera at one time (no kidding) that shot negatives in postcard format (I forget exactly what the dimensions were), but somehow I suspect that's not what people are asking about with your 5x7".

    Here's a page on postcard format cameras--

    http://www.vintagephoto.tv/postcard.shtml
    3½ x 5½* Postcard Size cut film, available at Retro Photographic - although I don't know if this size is in inch or plate...

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