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    Portland Photographers Forum uses a portion of it's workshop income to buy used 35mm cameras for high school students. We have the cameras cleaned and then hand them out to those who show promise. We also give lectures and offer photography help in our community.
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    I guess I still feel this "outreach" is beyond the APUG charter -- personally I like analog materials and in most cases it's good to be online with people who know what I'm talking about when I ask about that pink stuff that takes so long to rinse off from TMax100, rather than the usual internet crowd who are thrilled to tears about their latest purchase. I think this would have been true before digital too BTW -- back before there were affordable digicams, there were still PLENTY of photo-gear-consumers (as opposed to "photographers") who were terribly thrilled about how many FPS they could get from their EOS A2 but whose prints were 4x6 and made at the Jiffymart by a disinterested part-time teenager.

    Evangelism of analog is not an issue or a priority for me: that seems like a dissipation of energy that would be better spent making pictures. APUG is a place where people who like using film can share notes (and not get dragged into the "I like it looking grungy" toycam camp), not some sort of third column.

    Likewise the whole "aversion" issue -- despite claims of good behavior, I know better than to ask questions or discuss at any length about scanning strategies, for example -- some folks get their feathers in a ball over it despite the fact that it's by definition a film-based process. Such discussions and feuds over perceived censorship are a waste of time.

    I like using film because I like it, it is familiar to me and I can feel comfortable in my workflow from idea to print in hand. I think it looks great. I enjoy using a mechanical camera. But it's just one way to make things, one of many that I pursue and will continue to use. Just one of the pack. I'd rather worry about making my own pix than worry that others aren't making theirs my way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bjorke

    Evangelism of analog is not an issue or a priority for me: that seems like a dissipation of energy that would be better spent making pictures. APUG is a place where people who like using film can share notes (and not get dragged into the "I like it looking grungy" toycam camp), not some sort of third column.

    Likewise the whole "aversion" issue -- despite claims of good behavior, I know better than to ask questions or discuss at any length about scanning strategies, for example -- some folks get their feathers in a ball over it despite the fact that it's by definition a film-based process. Such discussions and feuds over perceived censorship are a waste of time.

    I like using film because I like it, it is familiar to me and I can feel comfortable in my workflow from idea to print in hand. I think it looks great. I enjoy using a mechanical camera. But it's just one way to make things, one of many that I pursue and will continue to use. Just one of the pack. I'd rather worry about making my own pix than worry that others aren't making theirs my way.

    AMEN! The best thing anyone can do is make your best pictures and let the results do the talking...

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    Quote Originally Posted by David A. Goldfarb
    Being out in public with the big camera helps. It may be a little eccentric, but in my profession that's allowed, and I don't mind attracting curious questions.
    I'm out and about with my camera(s) all the time. Just this past weekend I was on the front porch in my robe shooting (with the sinar) the 1972 two-tone dodge van parked infront of my house while it rained cats and dogs.

    I think people look at me as more of a cautionary tale than an example.

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    I was approached by one of my co-worker today, thank me for recommending him a very nice digi cam (Because he constantly thinking since I like photography, I must know a lot of things about digital, so, I spent some time on the web, did a little research, came up with a camera fit his needs). He was so happy with the result, said he can't get better result with film. I explained to him why I can get good result with film and why he can't, he listened and believed in me because I showed my picture to him before. What I trying to say is for most people, digital is THE choice, but if you care to show them a thing or two about film, they will make their judgement.

    Another thing is all my friend use digicam, we some time have a little meeting to compare pictures, they knew I shoot film, so they kindly enough to give me sometime to get my film ready. After few rounds of discussion, some of them want to get bigger digicam, and one of them decided to give film another try (she has a nikon manual body). We get along just fine.

    I think that's the least I can do to let people know more about photography.

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    I'm not proselytizing, but if potential converts approach me, I'm happy to oblige.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Grant
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    What we must do is show teenagers and young people what alternatives are available to digital, and each and every one of us should make a positive effort.to encourage and nurture new practitioners
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    So we must promote analog photography:

    - see my baseball caps thread for merchandising.
    - LF camera's draw attention some MF's too
    - Use your website to promote analog photography
    - pin bw pictures of your family on the walls of your cubicle

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    Another way of promoting analogue would be to keep an eye out for exhibitions of good traditional photographers' work and post "have you seen...?" messages on various other ana/digi photo boards. If even some new people attend and see what can be achieved with traditional methods and materials we'll have succeeded in part at least.

    I would say that I'm not in favour of any kind of approach on digi-only boards; we get annoyed when they start preaching on APUG, so I feel we should leave them alone too!
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    Locally in New Haven, there's a small non-profit community art center, The Creative Arts Workshop, that still teaches traditional photography. Darkroom time is inexpensive as well and they have benefited from the poor decision of some local colleges to switch their photography programs to digital only. All the darkroom equipment from these programs has been donated to this art school. They also have a good program for teens in traditional photography.

    When I use to live in Chicago, I rented darkrooms at the Evanston Art Center that also had several courses and seminars in traditional photography techniques and also had an extensive program for kids too.

    I think we should support these kinds of schools in some way. Maybe even giving them 'free' sponsorship exposure on this site?

    Maybe a listing of art schools, pro-labs and stores committed to traditional photography would be a another way to support traditional photography. Something like the list I made for the Toronto Conference, but for everywhere in the world? Like a traditional photography resource directory. It might be too daunting and I know Emulsion is also doing the same, but more promotion is not a bad thing in this case.

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    Art, thank you for the link to CAW - I was looking for something like that.

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