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    Nude vs. galmour

    I'm sure this topic has been beaten to death, but my brother who is a long-time photographer was recently fired from his job after his photos became too "explicit." He was a photographer for an international fashion magazine. Anyway, I'm finding more and more American media outlets are becoming increasingly prude when it comes to nude photography...as are Euorpean ones. My brother explained it to me as clearly as he could, the difference, but I do not seem to understand it. Can someone explain to me how an artistic nude photo could be considered pornography?

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    Quote Originally Posted by PhotoManiac3000
    Can someone explain to me how an artistic nude photo could be considered pornography?
    NO, because there isn't an answer.

    Erotocism is using a feather and pornography is using the whole chicken.

    In the Taliban, and ankle can be pornographic.

    If it causes arousal it's pornographic.

    the list goes on....................its one of the great questions of human nature

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    Just an opinion but
    Both are subjective. When is a nude art? When the viewer says so. When is it accepted as art when the 'right' people say so. When is it porn? Same answers. Porn would have more to do with social mores than art. There are tons of examples of 'Art' done in Asia, Greece and Rome that would be considered by many as porn if done today.

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    I suppose if one wishes to go deeper, we as a society are inheritors of religeous mores that considered the after life more important than this life and as such, things like pleasure were not held in high regard. In fact they were in many instances frowned upon.

    Many other societies have fluorished that loved sexual things, pleasure and "pornography" and had a more healthy view of life, in my opinion.


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    I don't recall the details, but one important legal issue (in the US) was set in a Supreme Court ruling that defines pornography in terms of "community standards." My impression is that this has basically set up a legally binding non-definition that results in a lot of room for argumentation on both sides of any debate about what is pornographic vs. what is art. It does underline what others have already posted, though -- it really is a very subjective matter. Unfortunately, that subjectivity can be a problem when it comes to the law or matters bordering on it, such as whether a photographer may be fired for crossing that ill-defined line.

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    In this case, though, it doesn't seem to be entirely an issue of the legal definition of pornography. A photographer might be let go for producing work that is not appropriate to the style of the publication or that the art director considers not to be in good taste, even if it is perfectly legal.
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    Are Gorillaz rap, alternative, or metal? Depends largely on the predjudices of the listener and labeller.

    That said, if the work comes with a tag stating full compliance with 18USC2257 then it's probably porn

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    Leave me see now..ummm..Pornography is in the eye of the beholder.
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    Wasn't it Justice William O. Douglas who said that he couldn't define pornography but he knew it when he saw it.

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    The other question we wish to consider is whether pornography can be antithetical to art. IF it is porno, then is it AUTOMATICALLY not art? For some people it's one or the other. I'd be more inclined to believe that there are things such as porno and not-porno, the same way there are things such as art and not-art.

    Art is more in the making of things, not in its subject matter. If everything that wasn't art was porno, then a highway would be pornographic!

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