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    Quote Originally Posted by eumenius
    Uh-oh, am I mising something? Did I say a single word about both Soviet Artists and Gosplan?? Both topics are indeed huge, self-standing and nice to discuss, but what I am to do with these in this thread?

    And the Russian peers of Hungarian brothers were quick to adopt things, as we know... at least in case of A-bomb The Gosplan idea was not as attractive, so it was a bit in shade

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    Fair questions, unfortunately.

    Fascist regimes can't always suppress artistic subversion. For example, D. Shostakovitch's 5th Symphony, subtitled "A Soviet Artist's Reply ... " and supposedly a response to complaints from old cockroach whiskers himself about Katerina Ismailovna.

    The Gosplan digression flowed from MHV's digression on rationality. When the very good Hungarian mathematical economists were theorizing about how to make central planning by god work the data handling etc. necessary conditions were satisfied nowhere. As far as I can tell, they still aren't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rfshootist
    I heard of it but have never seen it ...
    I just found the one I was thinking of, but it's actually the opposite message.

    "Expérience Promenade sur l'Art Impressioniste" ("ballad-experiment")

    English translation of the rest, capitals are in the original text:

    "The organizer of the Salon, each a VAN GOGH painting under the arm, will walk the rooms of the MODERN MUSEUM to reiterate the demonstration of the Inferiority of the Flemish School painting that are exposed there."

    "Entrance: ONE FRANC -- Reduction for the Pointillists and the special societies"

    It may have been in reaction to the first exhibition that shafted the Impressionists, but it's damn funny anyway! I'll post a scan when I can.
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    If you are really interested in finding out more about the mind-set of the German people during the rise of Nazism I humbly suggest “Defying Hitler” by Sebastian Haffner.

    From Umberto Eco: http://www.themodernword.com/eco/eco_blackshirt.html

    "Distrust of the intellectual world has always been a symptom of Ur-Fascism, from Hermann Goering's fondness for a phrase from a Hanns Johst play ("When I hear the word 'culture' I reach for my gun") to the frequent use of such expressions as "degenerate intellectuals," "eggheads," "effete snobs," and "universities are nests of reds.""


    A great article. Suppression of artists is, I think, one of the main indicators of a fascist state. See: Laurence Britt (Free Inquiry Magazine, Volume 23, Number 2 ) for example (sorry I don't have the link). He lists 14 characteristics found in 9 different Fascist states. The list is eerily familiar.

    Funny that this all came up as I was doing some reading on fascism this weekend.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Will S



    "Distrust of the intellectual world has always been a symptom of Ur-Fascism, from Hermann Goering's fondness for a phrase from a Hanns Johst play ("When I hear the word 'culture' I reach for my gun") to the frequent use of such expressions as "degenerate intellectuals," "eggheads," "effete snobs," and "universities are nests of reds.""
    Scary. Remember Spiro Agnew? " Effete intellectuals" was his phrase. I look at it this way, if art makes an Ur-Republican like S. Agnew pissed, then it's doing its job.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rhphoto
    This quote is attributed to Goering, the Nazi war criminal.
    This has to be one of the most widely misattributed quotes of all time. It actually originated with Hanns Johst, in his play _Schlageter_, concerning the German patriot executed by the French during their occupation, following the First World War.

    It has variously been credited to Goering, to Goebbels and to Hitler, who probably wished that they had come up with it, and may indeed have used it themselves. As I recall, someone quotes it in Leni Riefenstahl's _Triumph des Willens_--I'll have to check and see who that was. I'm thinking that it was either Johst himself or Baldur von Schirach, but I don't trust my memory.

    There have been lots of amusing variations over the years--"when I hear the word Culture, I reach for my checkbook," and so on. My dissertation advisor used to say that when he heard the word "creative" with respect to liturgy, he reached for his revolver. Regardless of the original political context, it's a great quote, which people have been having fun with ever since.

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    There was an exhibition called Entartete Künste in the early nineties that ran in Berlin and at a large Californian museum whose name I have forgotten. It gathered together many of the paintings and sculptures from the original Nazi exhibition, as well as materials relating to banned music, journalism film and theatre (hence the German plural in the title). The show catalogue turns up occasionally in libraries and online bookstores. Worth a read.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rhphoto
    Scary. Remember Spiro Agnew? " Effete intellectuals" was his phrase. I look at it this way, if art makes an Ur-Republican like S. Agnew pissed, then it's doing its job.
    Effete eastern intellectual snobs, please. Bill Safire coined it; at the time he wrote speeches for Spiral.

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