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    Quote Originally Posted by Early Riser
    My point is that if these are such sacred places to the Dine, then how come it's been ok for them to rent them to movie companies who then produce movies on their sacred land that make them look like mindless blood thirsty savages? Either their land is truly sacred or not. But to rent that land for purposes that hurt their people in the long run and promote an unhealthy stereotype of them seems to suggest their values are for sale.
    You have to realize some things. 1-When these movies were made Indigenous Peoples were treated as far less than equal. 2-Movie companies meant jobs that were otherwise unavailable. 3-No one cared what the Native Americans thought about how they were portrayed.

    Times have changed. Those images you talk about are the reason for such strict regulations now.
    Technological society has succeeded in multiplying the opportunities for pleasure, but it has great difficulty in generating joy. Pope Paul VI

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    Slightly off topic but growing up with all the westerns of John Wayne types etc. and there were literally hundreds. I still recall the first movie I saw that showed the Indian (native American) in a very postive and victim-like light. That movie was Soldier Blue.(1970)



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    "The Navajo Nation/reservation is like a seperate country overseen by the federal gov. We should respect their laws like any other laws. We should respect their relgious beliefs. "

    What makes you think 'all' the Navajo people have the same religious beliefs?

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    They don't. But they all live under the same rules and regulations set forth by their elected officials. These rules and regulations govern what kind of photography can be done on their lands and by whom.
    Technological society has succeeded in multiplying the opportunities for pleasure, but it has great difficulty in generating joy. Pope Paul VI

    So, I think the "greats" were true to their visions, once their visions no longer sucked. Ralph Barker 12/2004

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    Your the record
    I did not know we where contemplating going back to the Germany of the 30's
    I am sure the artist when trough the proper channel in order to produce the work
    and if you find the work not to your liking THE DO NOT LOOK AT IT
    simple as that I find the many Images get tons of Views and no CREATIVE comments or critiques why I do not no and can only wonder .
    AND attacking an artist one because you do not agree with the content
    That IS B.S. lets all boycott Mona or Luve or Prado the show things I may not like and find Interesting or rewarding .
    Does that make sense to you?
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    Gustavo, it was not about the images themselves, they were done well and I liked them. What was at the cruxt of this was that a Law was broken blatantly. Tribal law which on the reservation is the law of the land and backed by federal law says no nudes on their land ever. It is their land and their values as a people. There are many other places to have shot with that same background. Places that it would not have been violating cultural taboos and laws. We as photographers often forget in our zeal to take an image that we may if on private land be disrespectful of those who allow others onto that property. It may take a small amount of time to find out about the laws, in this case through Marks marvelous article, but it is easily accessed. I doubt any of us would go to the Vatican City and do nude photography in St. Peters square without permission or knowing the laws.
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    How do you know that ?
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    yes and the Palisin bomers are freedom fighters and not terrorist right?
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    the hole thing is just to much
    at this rate we may be avil to shoot in our back yards with big brothers parmissinon may be
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