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    Quote Originally Posted by Roger Hicks
    as a Swiss friend pointed out, the English are so belligerent that it's hard to find a time in the last 200 years when they HAVEN'T been involved in a war somewhere, sometime during the year.
    Show me the 'English' government that got into all those wars. Of all the people of Britain, only England has no representation. The people of England are ruled by the British government in Westminster (which is little better than a Scottish Raj). Read G K Chesterton's The Secret People.


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    The US went out a couple of times last century to do a bale out. Then when the French Foreign Legion got kicked out of Vietnam the US went right in and Fucked up for the longest war in it's history. What were they thinking? I went, no choice, what a joke. Was I preserving our way of life, I don't think so.
    Wasn't it Walter Cronkite that cased Nixon to say, "If we lost Cronkite we lost the war"?

    "There are no weapons of mass destruction"

    Bush and Blair GOD bless them and tiny tim too. They had a press conference yesterday here at a time of broadcast of midnight in London. They sure do stay up late there for new don't they?

    The World is in a mess and the Journalists are right in there helping to mess it up even more.

    The "fourth estate" is in bankruptcy.

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    Dear Andy,

    I'd heartily agree that there's never been a socialist government elected by the English -- the Scots and Welsh are the ones who get the socialists in, and in Cornwall we tend to favour Liberals -- but I'd also suggest that when it comes to looking for a war, the English have only lately been surpassed by the Americans. Why else would they have invaded and occupied Scotland, Ireland, Wales, Cornwall...?

    To say that the English have 'no representation' is something of an exaggeration, seeing that there are roughly eight times as many voters inside the borders of England as in the Celtic Fringe.

    If the English don't vote, they have only themselves to blame, and if they do, they get something slightly better than the government they deserve because their hysteria is tempered by the other nations. I am not aware of National Front successes in local elections outside England (note to foreigners -- the National Front are not fascists but you sometimes need a good light to tell the difference).

    If you don't think the English are hysterical, try defending the current 'knife amnesty', the Dangerous Dogs Act, the ban on hand guns, Ken's attitude to photography in London (surely an English city), Ian Blair's regime (quite apart from Tony's) and the behaviour of any Home Secretary in the last few decades.

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    Roger

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roger Hicks
    Dear Andy,

    I'd heartily agree that there's never been a socialist government elected by the English -- the Scots and Welsh are the ones who get the socialists in, and in Cornwall we tend to favour Liberals -- but I'd also suggest that when it comes to looking for a war, the English have only lately been surpassed by the Americans. Why else would they have invaded and occupied Scotland, Ireland, Wales, Cornwall...?

    To say that the English have 'no representation' is something of an exaggeration, seeing that there are roughly eight times as many voters inside the borders of England as in the Celtic Fringe.

    If the English don't vote, they have only themselves to blame, and if they do, they get something slightly better than the government they deserve because their hysteria is tempered by the other nations. I am not aware of National Front successes in local elections outside England (note to foreigners -- the National Front are not fascists but you sometimes need a good light to tell the difference).

    If you don't think the English are hysterical, try defending the current 'knife amnesty', the Dangerous Dogs Act, the ban on hand guns, Ken's attitude to photography in London (surely an English city), Ian Blair's regime (quite apart from Tony's) and the behaviour of any Home Secretary in the last few decades.


    You misunderstood my point. There is a Welsh Assembly to deal with Welsh matters, there is a Scottish Parliament to deal with Scottish matters, there is an on/off assembly for Northern Ireland, but there is NO English Parliament. And it has been publicly stated by Blair, and his bosom buddy Lord Falconer, that the British government will never allow an English parliament. Note thats an English parliament for the people of England to decide on matters relating to England. The people of England, not just 'the English'.

    Oh, and by the way, the BRITISH government, populated mostly by Celts, takes this country into war on a regular basis, not the English. Blair - Scottish, Cameron - Scottish, Menzies Campbell - Scottish.

    The knife amnesty is a product of the BRITISH government. The dangerous dogs act, brought in by the BRITISH government.

    You blame the English for these things. Don't you know the difference between British and English?

    <edit> Usually any suggestion of an English Parliament is shouted down with hysterical accusations of racism. Pretty much as you have just done. I said 'the people of England have no representation', not the 'English'.


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    Dear Andy,

    Not, I think, a serious misunderstanding. When one faction outweighs the others by a factor of 4 to 1, and there is a parliament for the entire Union, how much protection and special consideration does the 4:1 majority need?

    Don't get me wrong. I hold no brief for Blair, and I have even less time for Falconer. But given the enthusiastic rejection of a regional assembly Oop Noorth in England, at least some English people agree with me that the English need less protection from other Britons (and the British parliament) than other Britons need from them.

    I'd be delighted to see a lot more 'Balkanization' in Europe, but I fear that the biggest losers would be the English who look to me (and many other Europeans) to be out of step with almost the whole of the rest of the continent, whether you look at current countries (eg UK, France, Germany) or older ones (Scotland, Bretagne, Bayern, Catalunya...)

    Incidentally, I'd like to say thanks for your debating this rationally (well, you know what I mean...) rather than resorting to immediate name-calling. A refreshing change from many forums.

    Cheers,

    Roger

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    Dear Andy,

    Yes, I do blame the English for these things, because they are in such an overwhelming majority in the electorate.

    I'd agree without hesitation that there are disproportionately many Scots in New Labour and therefore the government. Well, the remedy is in the hands of the English with their 4:1 majority. Vote in some competent English politicians! Like, um, Michael Howard. Whoops, sorry. Or Hague, then...

    Cheers,

    Roger

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roger Hicks
    Dear Andy,

    Yes, I do blame the English for these things, because they are in such an overwhelming majority in the electorate.

    I'd agree without hesitation that there are disproportionately many Scots in New Labour and therefore the government. Well, the remedy is in the hands of the English with their 4:1 majority. Vote in some competent English politicians! Like, um, Michael Howard. Whoops, sorry. Or Hague, then...

    Cheers,

    Roger
    Throughout history there have been a disproportionate amount of Scots in the British parliament. That is why they are so terrified of the idea of an English Pariament. As soon as the people of England have their own say in their own country, the cash cow of Britain is over, and the 'celtic fringe' will have to look elsewhere for their handouts.
    But then why does any of this matter to you, I seem to recall you don't even live in Britain.


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    Dear Andy,

    Why do you think I left?

    Cheers,

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    You must forgive Andy K; he's from Essex, and they had to contend with the Vikings, it left it's mark.
    Regards Dave.

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    I forgot to add "journalistic integrity" is dead.
    Regards Dave.

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