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    Go and look at some Art History books, do you see all attractive people in those paintings? Who is to say that all photographs have to have attractive looking people and who decides what is attractive? I personally don't have a fondness of women with metal working tools aimed at parts of their body, burrrr, but who is to say what is art? On photo.net I did see some shears like mine, I think they are a No.5 heavy metal cutoff tool. The ones shown are rusty like mine. I didn't know that I had studio tools in the shop.

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    Oh now I get it. Links to female genitalia under the pretence of surprise and critique, (but really for tittilation: I see no women partaking in this thread), are not in bad taste but a few light hearted jokes are bad taste. I will never understand America's 'moral majority'.

    The first shot is ok but boring, seen it a thousand times by a thousand different photographers,.
    The second link seems to be to a bunch of extremely dull 'Reader's Wives' pictures.
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    Well, after careful examination of the pictures I can say the following:

    The lady who shows her genitalia while holding a Schiele book is not so bad (I mean the picture, not herself, for I don't know her). It could've been better executed (if the photographer's intention was to create a homage to Schiele's nudes), for instance the dress she wears could be better suited to the Schiele's painting's philosophy. And her look could be closer to the one the ladies in Schiele's paintings have, although this could be really difficult to achieve.

    The other guy's pictures are REALLY offending ! Not because of the nudity, or of what the little lady is doing, but just because they are SO BAD ! I could include them in my lecture about 21st century KITSCH ! I am sorry that there is not a real BAD TASTE CENCORSHIP TEAM in Photo-net deleting this kind of pictures and there lies a serious danger that some young person, that has not yet a concrete and inalterable view of right and wrong (taste) could see those pictures and have his/her sense of aesthetics distorted for ever !!!! This is really dangerous, and people should be warned about it !!! The French would never let something like that happen !!

    By the way: Mr Goldfarb, I know you are protecting us by deleting bad taste words from the posts in APUG, but I'm a grown-up now, and I like having fun reading bad taste things (especially when it's Claire that has written them). Could you send me the posts that you have deleted, please

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter De Smidt
    Can someone explain to me why there is a genre of "art" photography that consists of unattractive photographs of unattractive nude people? The problem isn't that such pictures are shocking, it's that they're repulsive. Here's a related question: why are Weston's nude photographs held in such high regard?
    Ummm, define attractive and unattractive....
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    Quote Originally Posted by timeUnit
    Here's John Running's shot that surprised me:
    http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=4496526

    And here's the other dude's (Marco Maria something) shots:
    http://www.photo.net/photodb/folder?folder_id=603620
    Shocking would be more like it! Who in their right mind would wear those tacky black stockings with that hideous striped dress... and then forget to put on underwear? :o
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    Andrew, puleease! There is a bumper sticker that I saw back in the seventies that may be appropriate: "The Moral Majory is neither"

    It might be well the remember the instructions to Charley: "Starkist does not want tuna with good taste, Starkist want tuna that tastes good."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter De Smidt
    Can someone explain to me why there is a genre of "art" photography that consists of unattractive photographs of unattractive nude people? The problem isn't that such pictures are shocking, it's that they're repulsive. Here's a related question: why are Weston's nude photographs held in such high regard?
    Can someone explain to me why there is a "genre" of anything in ART? - Or why ANY photograph is held in high esteem?

    Interesting to think about. Think!! - I'm not sure -at all -that I WANT to know.
    The surrounding mystery is too valuable.

    BTW - any comments of Gustave Courbet's L'Origine du Monde (The Birth of the Universe) - 1866 ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by livemoa
    Ummm, define attractive and unattractive....
    Of course one can always point out the relativity of such things. Tastes due differ. But is that the really the explanation for a fairly large body of this type of work? Let's say nude photographs of people who weigh over 450 lbs? Does the artist really think that these people's nudity is aesthetically pleasing (so it's just a matter of different taste), or is he/she simply being provocative?

    Regarding another post telling me to look at some art. Well, you know, I have. I (generally) prefer the nude as done by classical artists, and by those working in that that tradition. These generally depict people in good health and of pleasing proportions. They were, in fact, idealizations. Not only are these works simply beautiful, but they can serve as ideals to which we can aspire, and doing so would be a good thing for our health. In other words, these works are uplifting. They treat the body as a temple, and they bring out our relation to the divine., which I think of as a transcendent ideal, more of a Platonic ideal than an anthropomorpic individual.

    Moving against certain cultural trends, fat is not healthy, nor is it beautiful. (Really thin is also not healthy, but this has to be really, really thin, as recent studies indicate that there might be health benefits in reduced calorie diets even for people of "normal" weight.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by George Papantoniou
    By the way: Mr Goldfarb, I know you are protecting us by deleting bad taste words from the posts in APUG, but I'm a grown-up now, and I like having fun reading bad taste things (especially when it's Claire that has written them). Could you send me the posts that you have deleted, please
    You may be a grown up, but not every member of APUG is, and I think we want young people to be learning about traditional photography. There have been a number of post reports. Not every deleted post was specifically offensive, but they were of a group.

    As far as the links go, I don't think of photo.net as a pornographic website, so I'm not inclined to delete the links. As to whether photo.net thinks the images are pornographic, that's up to them. In general, I don't think we should be having a thread on APUG about what's appropriate for photo.net. I'll leave it to Sean as to whether he thinks this should just be closed.
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    The best part is that if you click the link at the lower left hand corner of either photo you can email it as a greeting card.
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