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    I think the question of where to post it would come down to the policies of the particular website in question, I would have to say if you have pictures/images that you want to ensure you can post without being told you can't post them, then securing your own domain name and website would be the best solution, as the legal crew would be the only enity that could say anything and you would not have to worry about being crucified for your idea of what you want to post.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter De Smidt
    Hi Ed,

    No Courbet and Rembrandt are not "classical" artists. "Classical" refers to ancent Greece and Rome. "Neo-classical" refers to art done at a later time but in the same general style.
    Ah. So I'm wrong ... "Neo-Classical". I was not trying to teach a class in what was the precise niche for any art. The true classic artists of Greece and Rome - even easier to prove my point. Shall we include Etruscan? - and Crete?

    I recently had a chance to view some OLD (ca. 500 BCE) Greek coins. Pornography with a capital P - in anyones' book, today. I mean -- they're going at it on those coins!!
    Carpe erratum!!

    Ed Sukach, FFP.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roxi331
    I think the question of where to post it would come down to the policies of the particular website in question, I would have to say if you have pictures/images that you want to ensure you can post without being told you can't post them, then securing your own domain name and website would be the best solution, as the legal crew would be the only enity that could say anything and you would not have to worry about being crucified for your idea of what you want to post.

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    Thanks Roxi331.
    Perhaps you have a good solution, which I have done that already. But, doesn’t this negate the whole idea of having a common place for sharing ideas?

    Vahid

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    Vahid,
    Post your images here. The worst that can happen is that Sean or a moderator will ask you to delete them. If some members go ballistic about your images, well that's part of the idea sharing isn't it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vahid Naziri
    Thanks Michael.
    Well, I guess, your reply says "NO" to the "POST IT THERE?" question. What about; here or nowhere? I once posted an image here, which I was almost crucified for! So, I suppose that was a “NO” to the "POST IT HERE?" question! That leaves us with the "POST IT NOWHERE"! Which might not be a bad idea! This way we all will live happily ever after!


    Vahid
    Vahid, APUG is like a community, where photonet is like a metropolis. So in my opinion, people that post there are mostly ego driven people wanting to show off their stuff for no real purpose.

    I've never really seen the advantages of posting pictures here or anywhere that doesn't allow for a critique. And that being said, if it were me, I'd find the work of people I admire and ask them personally for a critique and not post to general galleries.

    Before the internet, amateurs and pros too, would get together to shoot, or to discuss photography, but in most cases it was to teach or to learn or just hang out with their "own kind".

    Now with the internet everyone needs a blog, everyone needs to express themselves in whatever way to the world, and photonet is one of those avenues.

    But in my opinion, I don't see any great advantage in people posting hundreds of images into the great black hole of photonet.



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    I couldn't think of anything witty to say so I left this blank.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blansky
    "... If a person just took them for fun/hobby then what is the benefit to post them on photonet? To show off, an ego trip, for critique what?

    There are a lot of people that post on photonet and continually post their pictures. What are they getting out of it..."
    I often wonder.

    I dabble in photography for my own enjoyment -- 35mm and 4x5. Although I consider myself "serious" about it, my photography is essentially for me! It's personal. And I'm secure enough in my work that I no longer care what others think, so I'm not looking for a critique.

    Why, then, would I post my pics anywhere unless someone specifically asked to see one? As you asked... to show off? Ego? Good question, Michael. What are they getting out of it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bob01721
    I often wonder.

    Why, then, would I post my pics anywhere unless someone specifically asked to see one? As you asked... to show off? Ego? Good question, Michael. What are they getting out of it?
    To start with, "ego" is not a bad or negative word. Everyone has an ego. When we are new and learning anything, we want feedback and usually positive feedback, even though that may not be forthcoming. But we learn from that and hopefully grow.

    But there reaches a point when posting pictures on sites like that are just trolling for compliments and adoration and it all becomes irrelevant.

    So, in my opinion, a person gets far more from a respected peer or mentor than they ever get out posting hundreds of images to sites like that.


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    I don't post many photos, but when I do, I'm pretty much looking for feedback, not the "you could have used more depth of field" kind, because I'm pretty much to the point where those kind of things are now creative decisions, but more for reactions, like "this does it for me, I like..." or "I don't get it, why is...."

    I do my work for myself, but also for people who may appreciate it, and want to own it. Reactions help me examine my work, and sometimes a comment from somebody who is not vested in the work, as I am, helps me understand and clarify my own vision.

    As to the photos in question, there is nothing remarkable about them in any way, and I feel that they are receiving unwarranted attention, based on the content. A sure fire way to encourage more mediocre work to find its way to market and a monitor near you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blansky
    "...'ego' is not a bad or negative word. Everyone has an ego..."
    Sure. I don't associate a negative connotation with the word.


    "... in my opinion, a person gets far more from a respected peer or mentor than they ever get out posting hundreds of images to sites like that..."
    Or any site! Granted, sites like APUG or LFPhotography.info are smaller with a higher proportion of working/retired pros. So the feeback would be of higher value. But I think the same dynamic holds.

    Fortunately for me, I have two close friends who are retired pros -- one a studio guy, the other a "fine arts" guy. They know who I am, what I'm all about, what I'm trying to achieve, how much I'm willing to commit... Brutal as they can be, I value their feedback. But some unknowns in cyberspace? Nah! What do I care what they think of my stuff!

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    Quote Originally Posted by JBrunner
    "... As to the photos in question, there is nothing remarkable about them in any way, and I feel that they are receiving unwarranted attention, based on the content..."
    The originator of this thread found them remarkable because of their content... and because of where they were. That's why he started the thread.

    I have to respect the values of people who choose not to be confronted in "public" with nudity, obscene language, etc. If that's where their moral values are... then I don't want to be the one to "force them into temptation" or "expose them to evil" or whatever. If they want to sit around and "think pure thoughts" all day, I'm okay with that.

    At the same time, I respect the values of those who don't feel so constrained. (I place myself in this group.)

    But I'd hope that both groups respect each others' values and try to negotiate some solution to this dilemma. Saying, "That's evil," or "You're just a prude!" is only going to alienate us from each other.

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