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    Quote Originally Posted by MattCarey
    Sorry for your troubles...I know this doesn't help, but as I quickly scanned my unread threads, I read the title of this thread as:

    "Warning: moderators using legit photog websites to meetup w/ models"

    Matt
    They are taking them to the Star Chamber...

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    Quote Originally Posted by snegron
    I like that idea. The sad part is that the scam executed by the "creep" has further eroded the trust in legitimate photographers. Last year I was updating my portfolio for my wedding photography business. I was looking to create well executed images of models that reflected my particular style of shooting. I purchased all the props for the pictures including several wedding dresses in different styles. I have plenty of client photos that I use as samples, but I wanted to create my own images in my own style. Not only did I need an updated wedding album sample, but I needed images for my brochures and an upcoming magazine ad.

    I attempted to locate models (paid and TFP) through several online model search sites like OMP (hoping to get natural looking models, not the overmade clones of a local modeling agency). What a dissapointing disaster! I had many responses and ALL of them resulted in no shows. Several even had planned shoots with me for several weeks prior to the shoot. I was not able to find a single model to pose in a wedding dress no matter what or how much I offered. Yet, I saw many other photographers who were seeking models for nude, erotic, or sleazy shots and appeared to be very successfull at getting models.

    My guess is that the so called models were either strippers looking for a second gig, or they were probably law enforcement officers posing to be models and when they found out that I was not a pornographer, they lost interest and did not show up.

    My other guess is that maybe the models thought I was some creep (even though I was very specific about non nude shots and highly recommended shaperones on shoots). After all, there were many creeps posing as photographers. Unfortunately I was unable to create that portfolio I had in mind and have had to rely on purchasing stock photos for my advertisements. This is the price many of us legitamite photographers have had to pay thanks to a few ruthless perverts out there.
    I use OMP almost exclusively. And all I do is shoot models, and all are nudes. I am not sleezy or a creep. Nor are the people who model for me. You should be more careful about making such generalized statements.

    Its true that theres a lot of chaff out there. Both on the photographer and modeling side. I would say that at least 50% of the models on the site have no sense of professionalism or responsibility. However, there are also excellent models on the site and excellent photographers.

    A few thing you can do to improve your return:
    See if the models provide references, or people they have worked with, and then call those people.
    Avoid using anybody who needs to travel more than 25 miles to your location unless they have good references
    Avoid using anyone under 24. This one is kind of grey, but the teeagers, just don't have a sense of responsibility
    If you have to work through an agent, you might do better. However, it will usually cost you more, and theres no guarrantee that the models will be any more responsible.
    Be very specific. I send a detailed information sheet, once the model is booked, defining the shoot, the expectations, wardrobe, directions, escorts, etc.
    Follow up a few days before the shoot with a confirmation. I always do this. I email or call a few days before with the message that I require a confirmation within 24 hrs or i will assume that the shoot is canceled. This will save you a little bit of headache.
    list any deadbeat models on your OMP page. If you can list the people you've worked with, you can list the people who burned you.

    HTH

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    Don Sigl
    www.drs-fineartphoto.com

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    Quote Originally Posted by don sigl
    I use OMP almost exclusively. And all I do is shoot models, and all are nudes. I am not sleezy or a creep. Nor are the people who model for me. You should be more careful about making such generalized statements.

    Its true that theres a lot of chaff out there. Both on the photographer and modeling side. I would say that at least 50% of the models on the site have no sense of professionalism or responsibility. However, there are also excellent models on the site and excellent photographers.

    A few thing you can do to improve your return:
    See if the models provide references, or people they have worked with, and then call those people.
    Avoid using anybody who needs to travel more than 25 miles to your location unless they have good references
    Avoid using anyone under 24. This one is kind of grey, but the teeagers, just don't have a sense of responsibility
    If you have to work through an agent, you might do better. However, it will usually cost you more, and theres no guarrantee that the models will be any more responsible.
    Be very specific. I send a detailed information sheet, once the model is booked, defining the shoot, the expectations, wardrobe, directions, escorts, etc.
    Follow up a few days before the shoot with a confirmation. I always do this. I email or call a few days before with the message that I require a confirmation within 24 hrs or i will assume that the shoot is canceled. This will save you a little bit of headache.
    list any deadbeat models on your OMP page. If you can list the people you've worked with, you can list the people who burned you.

    HTH

    Regards,
    I apologize for the misunderstanding, but I did state "nude, erotic OR sleazy", not "AND" sleazy. I respect all art forms of photography, including nude work. I guess what I was trying to portray was that while I had no luck seeking models for fully clothed photos, yet others were able to get models to pose totally naked. I thought that models would be less aprehensive when it came to setting up a fully clothed, in-public shoot than in a more intimate setting taking off their clothes for a total stranger. I guess I was wrong, therefore I gave up.

    I was extremely frustrated on two occassions when different models had confirmed the shoot the same day, but when I showed up at the location with equipment and MUA, the "models" did not show. When I called them one told me she had a hangover (yet she sounded pefectly well that same morning), the other said she had a black eye because she broke up a fight between her roomates. I can't remember their age at this time, but I believe they were in their mid twenties. Several others had more interesting excuses for not showing, some did not even have the courtesy of an excuse. Maybe its a Florida thing, I don't know.

    Again, I did not mean to insinuate that the photographers on OMP are sleazy or creeps. The reality is that I had absolutely no luck whatsoever getting even one model at OMP. I read there as well that there were other photographers that shared my same frustration. It has taken me longer, but I have been able to capture a few good images (my style, not limited by my clients wishes) that I have included in my newer portfolio. It would have been much better and faster had I been able to get professional models, but such is life.

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    I'm sorry you have had such bad luck with OMP. By no means do I consider it the optimal resource, but once I learned how to filter out the unprofessional people, I had better luck. I am a little surprised that you have had this much trouble with fashion shoots, but I don't use the service for that type of photography so I wouldn't know.
    Here in the NC/VA area, the market is smaller than you would think. Most of the models I work with know, or know of each other. This helps a lot when trying to determine how responsible a new model is really going to be. If a model I work with recommends her, I feel confident she will show.
    It really does pay to check out the people they've worked with. Many models list photographers they've worked with. If they're new to me, I check their references. I provide references as well. I expect them to check mine.
    I've gotten to the point where I can usually tell just by the portfolio they have on OMP. If it looks professional, I'll look into working with them. If it consists of 4 digital shots taken in the bathroom mirror.... I usually pass.
    I do understand your frustration.
    Don Sigl
    www.drs-fineartphoto.com

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