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    Somehow I'm reminded of that old comment about pornography -- "I can't define it, but I know it when I see it." I see "fine art photography" in a similar vein, and consequently avoid using the phrase in presenting my own stuff.

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    hahahahaha

    Quote Originally Posted by Q.G. View Post
    Yikes!
    The Wikimonster takes yet another victim!

    A long time ago, people thought that what was true was what someone who knew said was true.
    A bit later, someone said it had to be in accordance with the world to be true. Adaequatio ad rem, and all that.
    Later still, it was changed to "true is what conforms to observation in most cases". Truth became a statistical matter.
    We apparantly left that stage behind us, and moved on from "most cases count" to "most votes count".
    A Wiki is an example of that, with an aditional clause, saying that the access to internet and time to spend editing wikis adds to veracity.

    A Wikipedia article as a reference?
    Fy on you!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sirius Glass View Post
    This thread seems to have run its course. If I wanted to hear senseless chatter, I would have stayed married!
    And if you don't, you shouldn't have strayed into something that has "philosophy" above the entrance door.

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    Am I allowed to say my opinion, or no?

    To me it makes sense. It doesn't have to make sense to you. In fact, I don't care if it does or not.
    If you read my original post more carefully you would have remembered that it is MY opinion that fine art is about the practice, the hard work. If completely and fully realizing your vision comes so easy for you that you hardly have to pay any effort for it, then good for you. I don't personally know anybody like that. The people I know that like practicing their art, work very hard at it to get to where they want to be. Call it blood, sweat, and tears if you want. What else is the purpose of being an artist, if not to work hard on the craft that you love?

    You're making fine art out of arguing, by the way. But I will not come back to this thread. I've got better things to do.


    Quote Originally Posted by Q.G. View Post
    Is there?
    If someone is able to realize his or her vision with minimal effort, the implication still is that it cannot be art.
    So a great genius, with very relevant, 'important' views on things, cannot be an artist, because it comes to easily to her or him?

    Really doesn't make sense, does it?
    "Often moments come looking for us". - Robert Frank

    "Make good art!" - Neil Gaiman

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    thomas

    you should know by not on page 7 of the thread
    that if you don't "agree" you are wrong.
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    I don't know what makes a " fine art" photograph, all I do know is too many people try to make them when they can't even make fine photographs.
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    Yes, but maybe they will start to ask questions and learn.

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    Nothing beats a great piece of glass!

    I leave the digital work for the urologists and proctologists.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jnanian View Post
    thomas

    you should know by not on page 7 of the thread
    that if you don't "agree" you are wrong.
    If you don't agree, you might want to participate in the discussion, and share why you don't, and point out where others are wrong.

    Wanting to be allowed to state your opinion (noone even suggests you are not, except you, Thomas), and allowing others to disagree and state their opposing opinion, are one and the same thing.
    At least they should be.

    And it is what distinguishes a discussion from a poll, Keith.

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    No one wants to silence anyone. Quite on the contrary, it'd be nice if a discussion had balanced participation from lots of different people.

    Enjoying a discussion without becoming argumentative is an unspoken piece of 'threadiquette' that sometimes gets neglected and inevitably leads to harsh words. If they feel like they're getting talked over, some members check out or click the 'ignore' button. That's unfortunate, when so many excellent opinions may be read here.

    Let me suggest that those who have extended, deep and brilliant thoughts on this or other subjects might create a blog essay. After 16+ comments in a thread, I assume that a person would have plenty of material to refine into a nice article, and I am sure we'd all read it

    Another point is that if I landed in this thread, I'd be especially interested in the thoughts of those people who are known contributors of exceptional photographs in the galleries and portfolios.
    "Only dead fish follow the stream"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Q.G. View Post
    Both Lartigue and Atget were journalists.
    all photographers are journalists ... and depending on who is looking
    at their images, they can all be considered "fine artists".

    it is all subjective.
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