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    Quote Originally Posted by keithwms View Post
    No one wants to silence anyone. Quite on the contrary, it'd be nice if a discussion had balanced participation from lots of different people.
    That may be nice for you, but for those of us who are always right that is a bunch of hu-wee!

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    Oy! Who knew I'd open such a can of worms? And I'm still confused...


    What is art as opposed to fine art? How are those concepts defined through photography? Who defines it? Like many others who have posted to this thread, I don't know that it can be defined in a way that is (mostly) agreeable to all, and I'm not sure that I would agree with it anyway.

    Am I photographer? Absolutely. Am I an artist? I don't know. But I'm going to keep working on what it means to me. This thread, for all it's to- and fro-ing has provided a lot of different insights for me to chew on for a while.
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    Quote Originally Posted by keithwms View Post
    No one wants to silence anyone. Quite on the contrary, it'd be nice if a discussion had balanced participation from lots of different people.

    Enjoying a discussion without becoming argumentative is an unspoken piece of 'threadiquette' that sometimes gets neglected and inevitably leads to harsh words. If they feel like they're getting talked over, some members check out or click the 'ignore' button. That's unfortunate, when so many excellent opinions may be read here.
    I think you are right Keith. One thing I have observed, however, is that many APUG threads do not really involve much discussion at all, but rather just a series of people stating their views and not really interacting with the thoughts of others at all. Not always, but quite often. I agree that unnecessarily argumentative or repetitive posts can be tiresome. But as long as there is respect and a bit of tact, I think it is nice to see discussions with a bit of spirit sometimes, especially when lots of people are chipping in. I reckon it can actually make the place feel more like a community, rather than less. Just a thought...

    Quote Originally Posted by keithwms View Post
    Another point is that if I landed in this thread, I'd be especially interested in the thoughts of those people who are known contributors of exceptional photographs in the galleries and portfolios.
    Not sure that I would need to see someone's work before taking their thoughts on a philosophical question as seriously as anyone else's...
    But I take the hint. It is about time that I for one got off my behind and embraced digital to the extent necessary to scan and post some images here!

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    Creating pictures that have content is not easy.

    At exhibitions of photoclubs I see a lot of pics that are snapshots taken. But there is no real interest in the subject that is shot. For instance when you shoot a pic of a building with a certain shape, you will have to investigate first why the shape is made as it is. Who is the architect. If these questions are answered you probably will make a different pic of the building that contains more info than a snapshot.

    I am also strugling with this last weeks. My technical skills are becoming to a professional level now after learning the last 2 years, and now the time is right to look further. "My wife asks me when I am going to create beautifull images in stead of technical perfect images..."

    Could a coach help to get you on the right path?
    They look from a different point at you work and might be of help.

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    Wait a minute....Did someone say can of worms.....mmmmmmmmmmm......
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    Quote Originally Posted by mooseontheloose View Post
    What is art as opposed to fine art?
    One of my friends owns a gallery. I asked her what the difference was between art and fine art. She said about 40% extra on selling price!


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    There's art, and then there's Art, and of course fine art, and also Fine Art, which BTW is different than Find Art, which is a children's book with very complicated and colorful illustrations, in each of which a certain Canadian photographer and his camera is hidden.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve Smith View Post
    One of my friends owns a gallery. I asked her what the difference was between art and fine art. She said about 40% extra on selling price!


    Steve.
    EXACTLY

    it is a term concocted
    to assure higher sales prices ...
    just a label ...
    ask me how ..

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    >>>"My wife asks me when I am going to create beautifull images in stead of technical perfect images...<<<

    That makes me smile. You've gotta love those people who know you closely enough to say that! Don't you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jgcull View Post
    >>>"My wife asks me when I am going to create beautifull images in stead of technical perfect images...<<<

    That makes me smile. You've gotta love those people who know you closely enough to say that! Don't you?
    maybe i should ask my wife to coach me



 

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