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    Quote Originally Posted by jovo View Post
    Jokes and sarcasm aside, nudity really is very difficult for young kids to deal with, especially when purveyed by adults...
    Having been the curator of an art Gallery that has the occasional nude (NOT pornographic) work, and is in the same building as our Visitor's Center, I've noticed that "pre-teen" children do not react very intensely - if at all - to nudity.
    It is only during the teen years... and more especially among ADULTS, that we've noticed the tell-tale signs: blinking eyes, sudden inhalations/ exhalations, widening eyes, etc.
    Given the situation, I/ we monitor all reactions, and comments closely, and endeavor to stay well under any threshold of "offensiveness".
    In ten years, or so, of operation, we have NEVER had to censor anything, or modify our one cardinal rule: NO Violence.

    It is, to me, amazing - we hide some sexually explicit videos behind swinging doors in the local Video Rental places, and VIOLENT gore-filled videos (Actual Scenes of Violent Accidental Deaths- People Burned Alive- Ripped to Pieces!!!) are in the areas accessible to all ages ...

    Am I the ony one who has the opinon that this doesn't make sense?
    Carpe erratum!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jovo View Post
    Jokes and sarcasm aside, nudity really is very difficult for young kids to deal with, especially when purveyed by adults.
    This is entirely culture dependent. Sweden, Norway and Finland aren't what I would consider unsafe, aggressive countries. The Swedes I know are rather introverted and nice, friendly people. Yet most of them have been dragged to the sauna from early age.

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    Porn is just such a subjective experience that it is almost impossible to define. Look at the controversy over images I've posted here. I would say that certainly by any American legal standard, nothing I've posted here, even the most controversial image, qualifies as pornographic. That doesn't stop the controversy, in the US, anyway. There is also a terrible double-standard with regards to the "definition" of pornographic - it is possible to send a postcard depicting the exposed breasts of a woman through the US Mail without putting it in an envelope. Try that with a nude male.

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    Porn

    Quote Originally Posted by TheFlyingCamera View Post
    Porn is just such a subjective experience that it is almost impossible to define. (snip)
    It is somewhat 'interesting' to see this subject arise just a few days after Telus (one of the major telephone and internet access providers in Canada, announced that they were strongly considering their latest idea (or at least 'flying a balloon' to rest puplic response) of supplying individual daily porn images to their cell phone customers for only $4.00 a crack (no pun intended 8-) )

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    "Pornography was defined in the study as images of naked people or people having sex."

    I have to say this sounds a little like sloppy journalism to me - I'd have to know a bit more about the report itself to make any comment.

    Internet pornography is quite a complex issue, is it not, I don't think the issues can simply be divided into two camps... i.e. whether nakedness is "good" or "bad", for children or anyone else.
    Last edited by catem; 02-07-2007 at 11:59 AM. Click to view previous post history.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ed Sukach View Post
    It is, to me, amazing - we hide some sexually explicit videos behind swinging doors in the local Video Rental places, and VIOLENT gore-filled videos (Actual Scenes of Violent Accidental Deaths- People Burned Alive- Ripped to Pieces!!!) are in the areas accessible to all ages ...

    Am I the ony one who has the opinon that this doesn't make sense?
    Ed,
    No, you're not. It is extremely disturbing to me when I hear my teenage girls talk about their (under 18 year-old) friends who have seen movies like "The Saw" series - with permission and approval of their parents! Luckily, my kids find those kinds of movies as repulsive is I do. Why cruelty, torture and gore are more accessible than images that show pubic hair or (shudder) genitalia in our society absolutely baffles me. Even though pornography involves nudity, nudity in itself is NOT pornography, IMO. Their are few things on the planet nearly as beautiful as the human body (present company excepted, of course )
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    Porn - definition

    IMO, there is no redeeming value in porn or violent video's. NONE. Period.

    The difference between art (with nudity) and porn....If you can't decipher the difference perhaps you have lost your sense of shame.

    It goes like this....have you paid to enter an art gallery? YES. Have you seen works of nude women? YES. So, you have paid to see nude women? YES.

    Well, then what's the difference between paying for that and Hustler magazine?

    To me there is all the difference in the world. And I certainly don't want my teenage kids viewing it.....

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    Now how's that for a coincidence - just read in the 'paper (only the 'Evening Standard' and only a few lines) about a report published yesterday by the LSE (London School of Economics) that "one in six children had seen hardcore pornography on-line". It would be quite interesting to compare these studies, how they've been done, and the definitions used, what the conclusions are...

    The article goes on to say (actually it's only a column...)

    "Parents of teenage boys talk about how their sons see images far more graphic than anything you can buy in dingy Soho basements. Yet politicians never respond to their concern. The consensus is that the net can't be regulated, even though the Americans think it can...[with regard to gambling sites]..

    Nick Cohen - The Evening Standard Feb 7 2007
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    I agree with Ed and Kerik...I am more worried about the violence of movies and video games (or even worse, soap operas on TV) than the possibility of my three pre-teen boys seeing naked bodies. I have come across conservative Christians who damn the "porn" on the internet, yet consider it quality time to play violent video games with their kids.

    I took my three boys (8 yrs old at the time) to a lecture by Judy Dater. She saw my boys and gave a general warning that some of the images she was going to show contained male and female nudity. While I appreciated the thought, I had no worries about it.

    I think kids can handle nudity quite easily -- unless their parents have trained them to act negatively to it. And those parents are the ones who should be monitoring their own kids web-surfing, and not applying their standards across the board.

    Vaughn

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    Quote Originally Posted by Antje View Post
    ... Yet most of them have been dragged to the sauna from early age.
    Oh, I know how it feels to be dragged to sauna!

    On a trip to Baden-Baden, I sustained an injury (uh ... that's my story and I'm sticking to it!) to my left knee.... and the only reasonable course of action was to visit the Caracalla Baths to loosen any possible damage to the tissues. Unfortunately (well - sort of...) it was "Mixed" that day, so I had to ... suffer it out (no pun intended).

    The "Amethyst" Sauna worked wonders. Brace yourselves for the smilies ....
    :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
    Carpe erratum!!

    Ed Sukach, FFP.

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