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    Quote Originally Posted by reub2000 View Post
    It's not quite that simple. There are a lot of degrees to this. For example between taken and staged there is the intermediate of posed. The photographer didn't create the scene but modified it. Or a strip of film can be scanned, making it both analog and digital.

    Also, if you watch the interview of Garry Winogrand, he explains why he believes that all photographs are lies.

    Do you have a pointer to the interview?
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    Winogrand's claim that all photos are "lies" says more about how he defines "lie" as in "untruthful".

    Very esoteric and very much too much.

    Most photographs are representations of what occurred at the time they were taken within the view of the lens.

    If one chooses to then manipulate that representation, whether in the darkroom or via PS, that is what creates the "lie".

    Assuming some level of honesty if a archeologist takes photos at various points in a "dig" - are those inherently "lies"? What about an honest police photog shooting the scene of a crime?

    I think it's time to dismount folks - this thread is "played out".

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    Quote Originally Posted by jstraw View Post
    Do you have a pointer to the interview?
    Pick your format:
    http://www.jimarnold.org/downloads/winogrand/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard Avedon
    The camera lies all the time. It's all it does is lie, because when you choose this moment instead of this moment, when you... the moment you've made a choice, you're lying about something larger. Lying is an ugly word. I don't mean lying. But any artist picks and chooses what they want to paint or write about or say. Photographers are the same.
    Personally, I find it one of the most useful and valuable things about photography: that this device that seems to be all about recording an objective "truth" is actually such an adroit maker of fiction. Sometimes you know what it will be, and sometimes you only realize what the fiction is after you are looking at the picture. That's cool too.

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