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    Quote Originally Posted by copake_ham View Post
    "extra duty"..."protect"
    Are you quoting me George? I don't think so. I didn't say any of the things you have incorrectly put into quotes.

    I put something out there for discussion, something that means something to me and apparently others considering the length of this thread. Again, I have gotten something from it and that is what matters to me.

    I'd add more, but I have just arrived in NY for some business and have a tight schedule. Thanks for your participation.

    Bill

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    Quote Originally Posted by jovo View Post
    Apparently the maturation of the frontal lobe that plays a significant part in what we consider to be good judgement does not occur until one's early to mid twenties. To be cynical about it, it's probably for that reaason that so many 18 year olds have been so willing to enlist in military enterprises that they might not even consider for a minute were they five years or more older. As a parent, it's one of the greatest fears of raising kids that they have to live through their adolescence that comes complete with an unassailable notion of their own immortality .

    As I wrote before, it's not a photographer's actual responsibility to regulate the decision making process of young men or women, but it might not hurt to try. Aren't nude models in their 30's attractive enough?
    I've photographed a number of models in their 40s. Age has little to do with either attractiveness or success as a model. The very best that any of us can do when photographing someone is to be as clear as possible on our intentions for the images, and where we think we might use them in the future. Good communication with your models is the best way to prevent issues.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheFlyingCamera View Post
    The very best that any of us can do when photographing someone is to be as clear as possible on our intentions for the images, and where we think we might use them in the future.
    ...and treat them with respect before, during and after the shoot whether they're young or old, female or male, clother or unclothed. (I too find the group "feeding frenzy" to be repugnant.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by billschwab View Post
    Are you quoting me George? I don't think so. I didn't say any of the things you have incorrectly put into quotes.

    I put something out there for discussion, something that means something to me and apparently others considering the length of this thread. Again, I have gotten something from it and that is what matters to me.

    I'd add more, but I have just arrived in NY for some business and have a tight schedule. Thanks for your participation.

    Bill
    Bill,

    No I was not quoting you directly. The quotation marks were simply for emphasis.

    I have no problem with any individual photographer adopting as a personal standard an age of consent that is higher than the legal minimum. But I do not consider the photographer who accepts the legal age of consent as the sole age determinant to be unethical by doing so.

    Enjoy your visit to NY - are you here for just the day or is it a longer stay?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roger Hicks View Post
    What's our responsibility?

    To try to change society so that this sort of thing (cries of shock and horror that a woman in her 50s modeled nude in her 20s) doesn't happen.

    Cheers,

    R.
    Roger, another issue I agree with you, but if only things are so easy:

    Father: "My doughter is not whore, she will not pose for nude photographs, males will not look at her and have dity thoughts about her. But, her friend, she is such a hottie, and doughter is not bat too... .. Dirty, dirty old man, I have to hide all those pictures I made 30 years ago... Hey doughter, you are not allowed to go out for month!!!!!"

    Mother: "What does she think, I had body like hers in hers age, she will not have nude photographs of her and make me jealous because I am old now and not have such body. Yes, I did that in hers ages, but now I am older and wiser, if only I knew then... Hey, doughter, you are not allowed to go out for month!!!!!"

    Father and Mother: "We have to be carefull what our doughter do, it is dangerous world out there, honey, only look at all those dirty men with camera!"

    And father and mother plane to vote on next ellections and to write/speak to theire local politicians to chose for whom they will woteor thinking what TV station/magazine/theater play/gallery exshibition/etc... will see/read. And very important question for father and mother is moral values of politicians/TV/magazine/etc...

    Add to that religion(s) and theire interests (control) in all of that.

    That is about how things starts...

    P. S. Why album The Wall from Pink Floyd crossing my mind...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sanders McNew View Post
    Art! (I seem to put exclamation marks after your name, don't I?) I just realized you're up the road in CT. Can I borrow *****, please? Sanders
    I have been sitting on this for a few days now and feel I have to respond. I have had the privilege of working with this model at our local college during photography courses.I know that she does not need me to defend her but she is unlikely to be a member of this on line community. And yet there is now a thread on the WORLD wide web suggesting that she is for trade if one is in Toronto. In defense, everyone who is a regular reader of APUG knows you are a opposed to objectifying people and married to a prominent nude model. Unfortunately the billions of people who might google this name to check her out as a model might come away with quite a different idea. Nude models are exposed enough to possibly awkward situations.
    Censorship aside; political correctness aside: freedom of speech aside; it is simply no longer acceptable to joke about borrowing women.
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    Bill: There is no way any rational person could read the remark and conclude that Kinga is a chattel available for trade, sale or barter. The slave trade was ended 150 years ago in North America. I am confident that anyone who reads well enough to navigate the web will appreciate the remark for what it was, even if you did not.

    Sanders
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    Dear Haris,

    A wonderful analysis...

    Cheers,

    R.

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    Dear R.

    Thanks.

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