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    Quote Originally Posted by bjorke View Post
    Umm, Alec Soth shoots 8x10.
    For better or worse, I have never heard of Alec Soth and merely drew what I felt (and still feel) was a logical conclusion from his blog article:

    >>One of my frustrations with contemporary photographic technique, mine included, is the feeling of sterility. Digital processes have become so sophisticated that nearly every picture you see is dusted and anti-scratched to a state of frozen perfection. After awhile it all feels so airless.<<

    However, the question of what Alec Soth shoots on, I feel, does not invalidate the point I made that sterile images are the product of vacuous photographers. I also find the suggestion bizarre that the presence of dust and scratches (which for a pro are merely evidence of incompetence) should in any way make work less sterile and more vital.

    It would interest me if Bjorke could tell us what he means by physicality and how a bulletin board like APUG could actually have this quality.

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    If APUG were about physicality, hand-coated processes should be venerated here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Katharine Thayer View Post
    If APUG were about physicality, hand-coated processes should be venerated here.
    They very much are as long as they don't involve digital intermediates, but that's another thread.
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    Are they not?

    But also it does not have to be hand-coated process or photo-sculpture either.

    I think the key is imperfection and inconsistency of the finished product regardless it is intentional or not. Think of old daguerreotype or tintype you find at a garage sale.

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    Quote Originally Posted by David A. Goldfarb View Post
    They very much are as long as they don't involve digital intermediates, but that's another thread.
    Really, hand-coated processes are venerated here? Maybe you could point me to some expression of that veneration; I've not seen it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Katharine Thayer View Post
    Really, hand-coated processes are venerated here? Maybe you could point me to some expression of that veneration; I've not seen it.
    All are welcome and encouraged to participate in the Alt-process forum here--

    http://www.apug.org/forums/forum42/

    and the Silver Gelatin Emulsion Making and Coating forum here--

    http://www.apug.org/forums/forum205/
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    I had to get out my dictionary to be sure I'm using the word correctly; I am. All you've shown is that discussions about alternative processes are tolerated here, even encouraged by the provision of a separate forum for that purpose, but you certainly haven't shown me any expressions of veneration for hand-cated processes. According to Webster's Second Collegiate, to venerate means to


    Quote Originally Posted by David A. Goldfarb View Post
    All are welcome and encouraged to participate in the Alt-process forum here--

    http://www.apug.org/forums/forum42/

    and the Silver Gelatin Emulsion Making and Coating forum here--

    http://www.apug.org/forums/forum205/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Katharine Thayer View Post
    I had to get out my dictionary to be sure I'm using the word correctly; I am. All you've shown is that discussions about alternative processes are tolerated here, even encouraged by the provision of a separate forum for that purpose, but you certainly haven't shown me any expressions of veneration for hand-cated processes. According to Webster's Second Collegiate, to venerate means to
    (Where was I before I was so rudely interrupted by the thing sending while I was in the middle of typing a sentence?) ...to venerate means to worship, to revere, to look upon with feelings of deep respect.

    There is also a forum for toy cameras on APUG, but I don't get the sense that toy cameras are venerated here any more than handcoated processes are.

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    Well, what form of veneration would be suitable? My sense from following discussion here since almost the inception of the site in 2002 is that most APUG participants have the greatest respect and admiration for people working with handcoated processes, even if they haven't all taken that step themselves yet.

    Perhaps the greatest veneration has come in the fact that after seeing handcoated work in the galleries, print exchanges, Traveling Portfolio, and even the postcard exchange (nothing is more impressive than someone who prints 40 ziatype, cyanotype, palladium or even carbon postcards and then sends them out to the group!), some people have decided to try handcoated processes themselves or to take a workshop and have posted their first efforts in the galleries.
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    Katharine, I think between having a forum for these processes, having alternative process print exchanges, having a gallery that includes a whole section for alternative techniques, and as a community having nothing but admiration for alt process suppliers such as Freestyle and Bostick&Sullivan, there is veneration here. I take David's appropriation of the word "veneration" to mean celebration of it, not just "worship".

    But if you disagree, you're playing semantics, because you're the one who brought up the word venerated to begin with. This is a site about processes, aesthetics, and techniques, and the fact that people practice historic processes at all, share them, and teach one another about them, to me qualifies as veneration. Isn't that enough?
    Paul

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