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    "I've got 369 photographs on the computer from the family reunion last weekend."

    No you don't, I politely refrain from saying to my friend ... my persecuted, analog mind thoroughly convinced her endlessly-unedited digitlal images on her camera and computer screen are anything but photo-graphs.

    But I'm afraid they are:
    My negative 'graphing' occurs thru a lens and onto a film surface.
    Her digital 'graphing occurs thru a lens and onto a chip surface (or whatever, I don't know much about lectronics).

    No difference really, as much as I detest amitting it.

    Seems the word 'photography' is doomed to be just like, for instance, the word 'sail', or 'sailing', where huge oil tankers 'sail' out of ports every day under engine-power, their port-to-port 'sailing' taking three days, or whatever.

    I'll bet the real sailors of the real sailing ships of the sailing days were really pissed seeing their perfectly good 'word' permanently basterdized, as we kind of are today about 'our' word.

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    what is difference between enginner designer and experienced machanic that designs something similar. Can both be call designer. Yes. They both designinig. To make the difference you have to go deep into the matter. Thosands and thousands of questions can be set for both of them, and what is above is not enough to make difference.
    The same think is in photography. The reason you mentioned, is one among thousands that are in the same game, and technical and aesthetical. You cannot judge about whole medium on base on your one assumption.
    Here is just one question more I never saw anywhere about that two mediums but it is a must to consider before you make statement. WHAT IS A TECHICAL INPUT INTO BOTH OF THAT TWO MEDIUMS. And about that we can talk for hours and involve so many thinks.

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    A picture is taken with the Mind thinking about the subject. A Photograph is made with the Mind thinking about how the resulting image will be interpeted by the viewer. Be it d****** or analog makes no difference.

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    Both are affected, self-conscious terms that inevitably seem to lead to pretense.

    Certainly not worth a lot of hand-wringing unless you have the incredibly mistaken notion that photos by themselves are somehow "factual " -- in which case noo amount of talk will get you to change that religion.

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    It appears to me the interviewee did not want to be vague. But if that is all that he/she said, vaguer may they be. Although, I've learned around here, you can call something just about anything you like. As long as you're comfortable using it in a specific manner. It seems to me a word's past usage sets the precedent regardless of the definition. If I say "I altered a photograph", I must be fully aware the phrase is vague. The "source" of the image obviously is not known. If I wanted it known that the image being altered/manipulated was a digital file, I would need to be more specific. I don't believe today's crowd is very discriminating in these matters. Nobody here will fault you for improper word usage (though I have been drawn and quartered for not doing so. grin.) Call it what you want. Be adventurous.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bjorke View Post
    Both are affected, self-conscious terms that inevitably seem to lead to pretense.

    Certainly not worth a lot of hand-wringing unless you have the incredibly mistaken notion that photos by themselves are somehow "factual " -- in which case noo amount of talk will get you to change that religion.

    I dunno. I think "Is what you pointed your lens at the truth?" and "Is what's depicted, what you pointed your lens at?" are two very different and distinctly relevent questions.
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    The world around us is full of images from which photographs are made. I've seen texts on photography that refer to the "image" as that which is simply seen in the viewfinder or on the groundglass. This is just one example, but AA's "The Camera"----one chapter is devoted to "Basic Image Management".

    Why must a simple concept be so perverted just because one camera photographs digitally and one photographs with film? It just seems like a non-issue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chuck1 View Post
    The world around us is full of images from which photographs are made. I've seen texts on photography that refer to the "image" as that which is simply seen in the viewfinder or on the groundglass. This is just one example, but AA's "The Camera"----one chapter is devoted to "Basic Image Management".

    Why must a simple concept be so perverted just because one camera photographs digitally and one photographs with film? It just seems like a non-issue.

    Chuck
    Good point.

    I don't know what the weather is like for you today is western KY - here in NYC it's been raining all day. It's so dark and dreary you might think it was April, not July.

    So reading and replying to a good old semantic "non-issue" thread like this is just the thing to drag one further down the road to despair and desperation.

    Jeez, I hope it's sunny tomorrow!

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    Quote Originally Posted by copake_ham View Post
    Good point.

    I don't know what the weather is like for you today is western KY - here in NYC it's been raining all day. It's so dark and dreary you might think it was April, not July.

    So reading and replying to a good old semantic "non-issue" thread like this is just the thing to drag one further down the road to despair and desperation.

    Jeez, I hope it's sunny tomorrow!
    Not to make you feel bad, but it has been beautiful here---sunny, low humidity and a comfortable 85 deg . I've been "imaging" scenes on the GG of my camera to " photograph" because I'm new to LF and am practicing with the development procedures.

    Ok, I've poked my fun, no more for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jstraw View Post
    I dunno. I think "Is what you pointed your lens at the truth?" and "Is what's depicted, what you pointed your lens at?" are two very different and distinctly relevent questions.
    But what's depicted? A flower? In bloom? Past it? Happiness? Dirt?

    What is depicted here? Frontal lighting? How to not avoid getting your shadow in the frame? Central Park? Scarves? Or...... ?



    Sure, a lot of family snaps and driver license photos are so minimal as to be easy stand-ins for the identity of the subject -- but they're still a long way from commercial magazine work or any other part of picture-making that would get people anxious about the distinction of whether their pic was an "image" or a "photograph"

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