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    Well said Sly.

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    If you want to point out the ratio of mens comments compared to womens comments I think you need to take a look at the ratio of men to women here overall. I think you'll find far more comments about all images and subjects are made by men and only because of the ratio of men to women here in general.

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    OMG!

    I've been hanging out here for nearly two years and never realized this was a "hot" site!

    Here I've been posting to these dumb threads and all along, unbeknown to me there's been "a whole lot of porn goin' on"!

    Think about it a minute. While I've been pondering whether to reply to the latest "philosophy" tread initiated by "mhv" or whether to dare respond to a post of "bjorke" (who is a "mensa man") you folk have been engaging in purient pursuits by ogling female "hotties"!

    Damn! I figured I was being a bit high-minded by turning off the "Latest Gallery" shot while logging on here from work (to "protect" the job) - but I didn't think I was missing out on THAT much titillation.

    BTW: What's wrong with ogling "hot" females? I'm a straight guy and started doing that when I was about 13. And I don't plan on stopping until they start throwing the dirt over the coffin!

    BTW: The big debate in NYC this Summer is which is sexier:

    1) The deep plunging down to the belly button necklines with no bras (Probably popular with the vegan babes).

    OR

    2) The "push 'em up till they just about "pop out" of the top bras barely beneath spandex tops (it's kind of post-tank top look).



    Inquiring eyes want to know before the cold winds fly and the ladies start bundling up again!

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    Statistical interruption

    Quote Originally Posted by jovo View Post
    If 'number of views' is any indication (which it almost certainly is), then nudes command far more attention than well made photographs of rocks, trees and water. Whether or not that constitutes 'oogling' I leave to others to decide, but for me, oogling is certainly a part of it.
    Actually, I compiled some statistics on this a while back, just out of curiosity, and the tabulations are still sitting here by my elbow, since I don't clean off my desk very often. I looked at the most recent 1,000 images, starting backward from whatever date it was that I did the tabulation (a couple of months ago) and found the following:

    Subject matter Average number of views
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    Portrait 111
    Urban/Industrial 94
    Landscape 100
    Cars 94
    Abstracts 99
    Nudes 238

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    Quote Originally Posted by jstraw View Post
    Two things here Scott...

    Many people leave such comments? Maybe I need to read more comments. I confess that I don't read comments for images unless I'm one of the commentors. So I'm sincerely asking...is this really a pervasive thing here.
    Yes.

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    I rarely view nudes in the gallery. I noticed the disproportionate viewing figures they receive some time ago, and decided not to add to them.
    Don't get me wrong I appreciate good use of the nude figure (The best I have seen in a long time was Sanders' shot of Melanie reclining on the tree roots IMO), but I made a conscious effort to leave behind the instinctive 'Oooh boobs! Must have a look!' reaction.


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    I’m probably going to regret stepping in here, but as the dead horse has been reawakened for another ritual flogging I may as well say something.

    The nude is a very difficult theme to work with. You’re working with a person who not only has a physical presence (their body – lumps, bumps, warts and all), but also has feelings, opinions and self image; and you’re seeking to create something with them that meets your own objectives.

    As with all genres some people are good at it and some aren’t, but some who aren’t good at it today may be very good tomorrow. But how are these people going to learn and develop their own artistic vision if they’re slammed when they’re learning? Do people who post poor or unoriginal pictures of trees and barns get slammed? No, of course they don’t. So lighten up folks, and maybe even help people learn constructively rather than slamming them.

    Quote Originally Posted by sly View Post
    I've done a lot of nude and semi-nude photography, but I would be uncomfortable posting most of it here. I feel it would be breaking the trust I developed with the women (and their partners/families) to post those images on such a public forum.
    That’s your personal viewpoint which I respect (I adore your fingernails photo BTW), and it’s also a consideration for some of my photos. But I suspect that most of the nudes posted on APUG are paid models who are fully aware that the photographer will post images online. And actually APUG is one of the less public forums (fora? OMG, another dead horse!), which in my opinion, is one of the reasons there’s much less grandstanding, mate rating, and general competitive nonsense than elsewhere.

    Quote Originally Posted by TheFlyingCamera View Post
    ...Most of the comments on the female nudes are not about the image, but about how pretty the model is. Pretty models are nice, but unless you're shooting softcore, how pretty the model is should be irrelevant to the quality of the image.
    I try very hard to portray beauty. Some of my models are stunningly attractive, but some would never be described as beautiful in the real world or don’t see themselves that way. And as anyone who’s taken a photo of a beautiful person knows, it’s incredibly easy to take a bad photo of a beautiful person. So leaving a comment that a model is beautiful can be a very positive thing to say.

    Quote Originally Posted by Katharine Thayer View Post
    Actually, I compiled some statistics on this a while back…
    Subject matter Average number of views
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    Portrait 111
    Urban/Industrial 94
    Landscape 100
    Cars 94
    Abstracts 99
    Nudes 238
    With respect, this is neither surprising nor relevant. If the only measure of photographic merit was how many times people have looked at the picture (or how many comments were left), then it would be a very sad world indeed. Thankfully the folks here are, on the whole, more sensible than that.

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    Sly, I'd like to take up your point specifically. I assume that the subjects of the pictures under discussion have given their permission for the images to be posted on a public site. Equally I assume your subjects have not. If my assumptions are correct then you are correct in not publishing them here; whilst those that are shown, are here legitimately.
    As a male, who can vaguely remember being "hot blooded", I can see nothing wrong in admiring the female form, although I share your dislike of the bony ones.
    Regards Dave.

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    As with all genres some people are good at it and some aren’t, but some who aren’t good at it today may be very good tomorrow. But how are these people going to learn and develop their own artistic vision if they’re slammed when they’re learning? Do people who post poor or unoriginal pictures of trees and barns get slammed? No, of course they don’t. So lighten up folks, and maybe even help people learn constructively rather than slamming them.
    Nobody was talking about slamming a poster of a nude for posting nudes. I was referring to the sharing of titillation in the form of "gosh, ain't she a looker" type comments. I agree, criticism should always be constructive, regardless of if it is congratulatory or critical. "Gosh, she's a real number, wish I could have been there during the shoot!" comments sound more like backslaps for a sexual conquest, not an approbation for a well-executed photograph.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Katharine Thayer View Post
    Actually, I compiled some statistics on this a while back, just out of curiosity, and the tabulations are still sitting here by my elbow, since I don't clean off my desk very often. I looked at the most recent 1,000 images, starting backward from whatever date it was that I did the tabulation (a couple of months ago) and found the following:

    Subject matter Average number of views
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    Portrait 111
    Urban/Industrial 94
    Landscape 100
    Cars 94
    Abstracts 99
    Nudes 238
    Those of us on dial-up must be selective in viewing a gallery with so many images. The selection is usually based on a thumbnail. Many images that look fairly good full-size on a screen and great in an original print make terrible thumbnails, and are bypassed. It's easier to see a suggestion of photographic quality in the thumbnail of many nudes.

    Also, in a few minutes I'll step outside and see real-life landscapes. I'll drive into town and see people, cars, and urban/industrial subjects. I'll be taking a reference shot of one urban subject. Abstract subjects are everywhere. Even in the heat of summer, there are few nudes here in the rural American midwest. The best ones in the gallery are a refreshing change.

    There were galleries on other sites that could have been be well-named Go Ogle if it wouldn't infringe on a famous trademark. They probably remain tedious. APUG should be proud of the quality of its images in all genres.

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