Gary I was being a little whimsical but in a climate of fear and paranoia and should such a conversation take place, I wonder how many would listen to the full conversation and analyse before reacting.
Dave. In your case just as well that Walther, Luger and Browning never made cameras then!
Fair play to the trigger guys they were acting on info they thought to be kosher. being in a job that requires spit second life saving decisions i can empathise with them for getting it wrong, what i am suprised by is the support they have recieved from their firm..i thought they would drop them like a poo covered hot potato.
I agree that this ad is worrisome, but lets get real - security measures are not paranoia, or manifestations of Big Brother, etc. etc. This is simply a poorly thought out aspect of a very necessary campaign to combat terrorism.
From some of the comments, you'd think that 9/11, London, Madrid, etc. etc. didn't happen. There isn't a major western country that hasn't either been attacked or subject of an apprehended plot. It seems hardly a week goes by without some scheme being revealed. Even Canada has several would be martyrs behind bars, thanks to security efforts.
We need to let the government know when they cross the line, but let's not forget - there are crazies out there who want to kill and maim. It is a difficult thing to balance rights and freedoms with security.
As much as I am gratified that other people have now discovered that terrorism isn't so great, I somewhat object to being lectured on a threat some of us have had to put up with for most of our lives as if it were something new. What is new is our own governments giving in to that threat by using it to oppress us all.
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As much as I am gratified that other people have now discovered that terrorism isn't so great, I somewhat object to being lectured on a threat some of us have had to put up with for most of our lives as if it were something new. What is new is our own governments giving in to that threat by using it to oppress us all.
My thoughts precisely.
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What is new is our own governments giving in to that threat by using it to oppress us all.
Could you elaborate on how you are being "oppressed"?
Terrorism has been around for a while, but the global scope, Islamofascist underpinnings, and wearying frequency of plots is a new thing.
I am often surprised by people who expect privacy in public places, and object to demonstrably useful public security measures.
In times of war it is a given that freedoms are curtailed for the greater purpose. While we are not at war, we are under threat, and it is naive to expect the status quo to continue. I'm not saying that we should roll over and let the government do as it pleases, just that a delicate balance needs to be found.
I don't remember needing to be surveilled 24/7, needing to be questioned for having a camera in a public place or indeed I don't remember living in fear when the IRA were regularly bombing Britain.
'Islamofascist'. Ok, I think I see where this thread is going.
Better start telling the public to phone the police if they see anyone with a suspicious looking beard, or carrying a rolled up carpet, or rubbing an old oil lamp...
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Part of the lunacy and short-sightedness of this approach is that if some terrorist nut case feels the *need* to take photos of something, he/she can quite easily do it, and will do it, without obviously waving a camera around. These guys are not likely to be whipping out an SLR with a 300-mm lens and taking shots while furtively looking over their shoulder if they know that's going to get them in trouble.
This kind of "campaign" can only make 'em harder to spot.
Better start telling the public to phone the police if they see anyone with a suspicious looking beard, or carrying a rolled up carpet, or rubbing an old oil lamp...
Huh?
So you see no common denominator to these events?
Ah yes, I forgot about the well known Norwegian terrorists that leave backpacks full of lutefisk lying about.
And could someone tell me how we are "oppressed"? Gosh, it's so awful, makes you wonder why so many folks will go to great lengths to come and be so oppressed .....
Please note that I agree, this latest thing about photography is silly, and should be objected to. But to then engage in hyperbole and dismiss real concerns over terrorism, well, that's equally silly.
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