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Old 04-08-2008, 10:01 PM   #1 (permalink)
 
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In my humble opinion, this sort of approach is ironic:

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/...t/5681569.html

I am curious to hear comments, opinions, etc. on the article.

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Old 04-08-2008, 10:18 PM   #2 (permalink)
 
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Moronic, pointless... The "artist" needs to get a life and stop corrupting someone else's work in an attempt to be "clever". This makes colorizing black and white films look like the epitome of creativity!
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Old 04-08-2008, 10:52 PM   #3 (permalink)
 
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I think it is a wonder concept, especially when presented with the originals, or at least some awareness of he originals. I think they become especially meaningful in the context of so many people "disappearing" during Hitler's Germany. I congratulate Somoroff and his team.

I consider Somoroff to have produced a work of art. In the context it is presented, it is very moving...and it interesting from a photographer's viewpoint in that it explores what is not the original "subject" of the images, but instead the edges and the areas' surroundings. It is not "photography" as we know it, but that is besides the point. Such work can not be judges from the standpoint of original photographs, but instead, of photographs used to creat more art.

I see no connection between Somoroff's work and the colorization of old movies, nor to the artist who, for example, rephotographed and printed EW's work. This is a new idea, interestingly presented -- espicially with the added movement that the article talks about -- I'd like to see that.

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Old 04-08-2008, 11:01 PM   #4 (permalink)
 
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I like them as well. They're interesting on their own as images, and they draw attention to something that most people ignore in Sander's work.

There's something of a connection I think between these images and Robert Rauschenberg erasing a drawing by de Kooning, though part of that was the act of destroying the original work, which Somoroff is not doing.
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A former co-worker was asked to do that once at a store he worked at from a wedding photo - the person removed must have done something very uncool. No, not the groom, but a sister bridesmaid's ex-fiance.

I had a Chinese roommate in college (PRC) & he said it was not uncommon at some point in history there for political portraits on buildings to be obliterated & declared 'unpersons'. He said it was illegal to ask about the unperson on the building...so it was just ignored.

Re: The empty chair. Wouldn't it have been a whole lot easier to realize the envisioned image by taking a chair out there? I didn't read the whole article, but I'd take less offense to a new image over alteration of someone else's work.
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Old 04-08-2008, 11:48 PM   #6 (permalink)
 
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I think it has some merit. However the images are much more thought provoking if you know the background, and it doesn't appear that you can get all of the information you need from the images themselves. You can't walk up to the picture and know what it is about without more info. Maybe seeing the old and the new together would make sense.

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Old 04-09-2008, 01:23 AM   #7 (permalink)
 
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I find it a little disturbing. I'm not knocking it mind you, that's just my gut reaction. I'll have to ponder why.
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Ok, the Garfield thing is really disturbing me. I'm gonna go leave my shrink a voice mail...
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Old 04-09-2008, 01:43 AM   #10 (permalink)
 
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Wasn't Stalin, or was it Karl Marks, an expert at the removal of images from all kinds of artwork? Ancient Egypt was doing it in stone a long time ago.
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