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    Quote Originally Posted by Thomassauerwein
    I don't think we as humans really have developed the ability yet ,to seperate nudity and sexuality. .
    I am surprised at this comment, one of the reasons I like your photographs so much is the contrast between the man made structures hard and straight lines and the soft and roundness of the nature structure. But I certainly do not see anything sexual in your photos. The photograph of the women on the cubes is less suggestive and actually shows less "sex" than some of the girls I have seen at bars...

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    The fact that we are having this dicussion highlights the lack of sophistication we North Americans have when it comes to our perception of the human body as compared to Europeans. The Puritan were the ones who came to NA and their legacy still haunts us. It is just to bad that so many people equate nudity with sexuality.
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    Congratulations to Thomas Sauerwein for showing what nude art can be. It is difficult to assess pornography. I guess the poster who said, “I can’t define pornography, but I can tell it when I see it.” Is positively correct.

    But now I guess it is time for true confessions. I considered posting this under the “Ansel Adams’ Goofs” header as it fits both places. As a very young man I was seriously considering photography as a profession. I worked after school in the darkroom of the only pro in town (a very small town). I was allowed to do some assignments and was in charge of the music section of the high school annual for which I received an award for the cover page (I’ll scan it and post it some day, maybe).

    At any rate, my parent subsidized a class in an adjoining town. I was 16. If my parents knew everything that was included, I’m sure they would have declined. Anyway, one session was “figure photography”! We had to purchase our material and 8x10 negatives were quite dear then. We were to expose two plates each. When it was my turn, I tried to act dignified, business-like, and indeed – competent, even though the only naked woman I had ever seen was my mother in the tub.

    I deftly posed the model, reset the lighting (as if I really new what I was doing ((even now I don’t have a good knowledge of artificial lighting)) ), set the lens, removed the darkslide, released the shutter, removed the holder, and was readjusting pose when the model began to giggle. I was concerned. What had I done to tip her off? “Aren’t you supposed to put that black thing back in the camera before you remove the negatives?”, she ask. I’ve never tried nude photography since. (I am reminded of one of Ed Sukach’s recent posts on the "quotes" topic ;_)

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    Purposley I've stayed away from sexualy motivated images, Helmut Newton or Robert maplethorpes work, these images are targeted sex. In Roberts case the images can be quite explicite. yet as his style evolved this explicite nature was'nt neccesary any more. The Lighting became sensious all by it self the printing became masterful the images could have stood on their own. Helmits work has a great sense of humor though grafic at times he always seems to have maintained a distant respect for his sitter. When we try to accomplish a concept it's business, they come in they take their clothes off we go to work! Yet when my wife comes home it's a different story, If I try to photograph her in one of my environments it's imopossible, we're to distracted. My comment was a statement towards the population as a whole, our buying public. The obove named people who accomplished great fame in this industry understood that sex sells, Course in Roberts case, I think thats all he thought about and just got lucky enough to make money at it. We set out to create sensious light , thats the line we've drawn. Theirs tons of sexually motivated stuff out there, the same thing done over and over again. Really boring!
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    Why is it necessary to seperate nudity from sexuality. Can they not exist together. Can they not exist apart.

    If your work serves to enable someone elses masturbatory needs why does that make a difference to you. 50 years ago people were using Sears underwear ads, and the wonderful nubile African features from National Geographic.

    The nude as art form has existed since the beginning of time, and why is it necessary to censor our own work because someone else my find it erotic or use it for self pleasuring.

    I don't find that to be a legitimate argument. You could take a portrait of a beautiful face that exudes so much sex that it hurts. Do we then put a veil over it.

    As George said take the pictures that present themselves honestly and naturally and let the viewers do what they want with them.

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    Yes, nude photos become boring due to too much exposure, specially in Playboy and the likes.

    But there are photographers (both man and woman) that are masters at suggestion - and these are the ones I appreciate.

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    Ref: Blansky, They do exist together every where anyone turns. Theirs also this puritanical effort to control or even eliminate overt sexuality in public. for now this co-existance seems to keep the flagrant abuse pretty much in check I'm sorry to say it's nessesary but until society reaches the next level these two sects will have to mediate each other. It's my business choice to prove to the nude industry that we can further disect nudity, eliminate the strappings of sexuality and still create sensuously lit compositions that include the figure. If genetalia does show up in our images it's part of the hole not the focus. I selfishly avoid those areas unless it works best for the pose because people will focus on those areas rather than see the complete image. Case and point I installed two images in the standard gallery section a couple weeks ago. The image "socks" that shows the breasts has far more veiws than does OTA IX which in my opinion is the stronger image. Wheather nudity and sexuality can or cannot exist together I don't know, and don't care. I just want people to frame and place my images on their walls, In a place where they and thiers can visit the image every day! Pretty sappy but there it is.
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    Thomas:

    In the first place I don't consider your work self conscious. You seem to be defending something that you in fact are not doing. Your work is far from what I'm referring to in my initial post. Your work celebrates in the best possible way the human form.

    On a personal note, without seeing any other of your work, I would be tempted to name OTA IX "shame". It brings to mind an Eve expelled from the garden of eden, look to me. Or to be more precise Eve expelled from the industrial utopia, as she steps down in shame.

    Just an initial response and an opinion. Great picture though.

    Michael McBlane

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    I guess every human being on earth looks at a naked body almost once a day, their own.
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    Well Michael,

    I'm one of the lucky ones! When this topic poped up I got to talk about some of the things that only my wife and I get to talk about. So by derailing your post a little I got to put it out there. So Thanks!
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