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Old 08-11-2008, 08:00 AM   #1 (permalink)
 
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Hi all,

A few months ago I saw an article in a Dutch newspaper with an interview with some of the staff of National Geographic magazine. While reading the article, I noticed a number of facts that, well, more or less made me laugh (or should I say cry...)

I have always thought of NG as being one of the last strongholds of serious reportage photography. It was one of the last magazines accepting and embracing digital photography, and is one of the last still spending significant amounts of money on reportage sometimes lasting months.

Well, at least part of that (and common sense) seems to have gone down the drain at NG...

I was struck by a number of small facts listed in the article. For example, they more or less "proudly" remarked that now in the "digital age", the photographers they enlist regularly end up shooting something like a fifty thousand(!) photo's in a few months.

50.000!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

How on earth are you properly going to sort out a 50.000 photo's for a single feature article??? Let alone for all articles in a single magazine combined (Maybe >100.000?)

Just imagine, with 100.000 photo's for a single magazine edition:

- if you would go through a digital slide show of all of these images, and each image was displayed for 5 seconds, it would take 138 hours to view them all!
- if all the images were printed on ordinary (analog) contact sheet size, with 40 images on A4 size, they would need a table of 156 m2 (or 10x15m) to lay them all out!
- if each image was printed on 10x15 cm and laid out on a table, it would be 1500 square meter...
- and with 50.000 shots / reportage, and a reportage costing maybe 100.000 dollar, that is just $2 dollars / photo. I could possibly make more money shooting passport photos all day...

And than:

What photographer can honestly say that he manages to make good and inspired photos if you end up shooting 500 a day??? (50.000 / 100 days = 500 photo's). I certainly would be completely stumped after just one day... and with 500(!) photo's a day, you might as well take your digital still video camera with you, instead of an SLR. It would be one photo each minute of the day, based on an 8 hour working day...

The thing that made me laugh out most, was the fact that the editor remarked that it was "difficult to find a good cover photo" because "photographers don't like to shoot vertical" and that was needed for the cover. Among this diarrhoea of images, only a "few shots were vertical".

Well, I don't know what professional photographers they enlist, but personally, I have a strong preference for vertical (about 75% of all my images I guess), maybe I should try to get a job at NG???

And looking here on APUG, I don't think I am the only one with a preference for vertical shots... (join me )

Finally, the thing that almost really made me puke, was reading that, due to the limited amount of vertical shots, they even recently had needed to go as far as significantly "tweaking the contrast" of a particular image to make it "more romantic and adventurous" for the cover... because there was nothing better among 50.000 shots????!

Bwaaaaa... they certainly have gone mad at NG, or is it just me
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Old 08-11-2008, 08:25 AM   #2 (permalink)
 
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Hi Marco,

I agree with you, I shoot about 80% in portrait ( vertical ) format too. As regards 50,000 shots, sound like a bit of an exageration to me.

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Old 08-11-2008, 08:32 AM   #3 (permalink)
 
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A sign of the times, I think. A friend who has a studio predicted that in the next few years, still cameras as we know them, won't exist. The cameras will mostly be used in video mode and still photos will be frames from the video stream. Perhaps more likely, composites of several frames.

I too like verticals
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Old 08-11-2008, 09:23 AM   #4 (permalink)
 
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NG photographers went through huge quantities of film as well, perhaps close to the 50,000 mark for each story. I don't know the actual number off the top of my head. There was a PBS special not long ago about an NG photographer who still shoots film, and the numbers mentioned weren't that out of line with the digital numbers you quote. After shooting this way for a couple of decades, NG photographer Jim Brandenburg's personal project became exposing only one 35mm frame each day on his Minnesota property for 100 (I believe) days running, and intentional antidote to his practice with NG.

Shooting that much is one of the things that makes NG photographers so good, dusk to dawn for days, weeks, months. If you are concentrating on seeing while you're working and paying attention to what works, you're bound to become better. You also get the luxury of experimenting with the magazine picking up film and processing expenses.

The photographers edit with a photo editor assigned to their story, often one with whom they have established a good working relationship. You can edit relatively quickly with a number of similar shots on display on a computer screen or a light box. They don't just pick the best shots out of context, without regard for content, they decide what general kinds of shots need to be included to fit the story, then pick the best shot for each. They are headed in a specific direction, so editing is easier than just picking the 15-20 best shots, regardless of content.

The vertical/horizontal thing is likely as much a reflection of the way DSLR and 35mm cameras are built as it is photographers' habits. It's not all that natural or comfortable to hold one of these cameras vertical.

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Old 08-11-2008, 09:41 AM   #5 (permalink)
 
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Well, that's another magazine I won't be needing a subscription to.

I worked for a time as a photojournalist until they closed down the division I worked for.
Although I was issued digital equipment - I still shot as though I used film (carefully and selectively).

I would just wince at other photojournalists who literally keep their fingers pressed down on the shutter to get a shot - pumping away, I don't know, 25-50-100 shots. They might as well, as you suggested, bring a digital video camera and just select a frame from their mini movies.

I remember one assigment when the mayor of a local town was presented with a Christmas Tree ornament. We all had to wait in line to get a shot of it. I sat there and watched this lady from the main paper in town
whirring away with her Nikon Digital taking scores and scores of (what must have been) basically the same photo.

I think it's sad that we live in the Walmart age - and I feel pretty soon no one is going to be able to differentiate quality from crap, much less produce something of genuine quality.

I wonder what the old time photojournalists, who use to lug around Speed Graphics, would think.
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Well, Grant Haist who did articles for NG shot a hundred or so 4x5 sheets of film for one article alone. Sometimes they shoot with MP cameras using ECN stock. This gives them hundreds of frames, and often for wildlife they will use a Hulcher camera with 70mm stock to capture just the perfect picture.

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Hi, Marco, It seems to me that if the magazine needs 50,000shots a month to select a couple of hundred images for publication they're wasting their money employing expensive photographers and paying their expenses,they could employ monkeys, and pay them in bananas and would still get enough good shots from 50,000 to fill their magazine, there used to be saying in Britain that "If you gave enough monkeys typewriters and enough time, one of them would eventually write Shakespeare"
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Old 08-11-2008, 10:26 AM   #8 (permalink)
 
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For many years now, NG has cared more about their agenda (generally of the "activist" bent) than they have cared about objective reporting. I think this is showing through even with the photographers that work for them. Once in a while, they do run an objective article that is excellent. Once in a while they do have an excellent photography article. But most of the time, agenda is most valued.
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Old 08-11-2008, 10:30 AM   #9 (permalink)
 
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I don't think this information is surprising at all. NG is a magazine dominated by photojournalistic, small-format work and they have a huge pool of material to draw from. It's not a matter of generating filler; why hire "monkeys" when they already have such talent on demand. I once spoke with someone there about doing a project and the response was (I paraphrase), "look, we've got fifty zillion projects and fifty zillion photographers, we already have way more material than we need..."

Whether digital or traditional, and notwithstanding whatever agenda they may have, I think NG is still a very fine and inspiring publication and I love the research that goes into their articles, not to mention the imagery. I wouldn't read too much into the number of photographers and the number of shots they take. If you get your most effective work done by taking one shot a month or 10,000 shots a day, whatever works for you. If I were on assignment, heck yeah I wouldn't be sparing with my film.
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You could easily divide this number by 3 just by bracketing one or one half stop +/-.
That's still a lot of photos to sort through.
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