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    Art is a step from what is obvious and well-known toward what is arcane and concealed.

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    This sounds like an assignment for Psych 101. It's interesting however that many people have no idea why they photograph certain subjects and why they interpret them the way they do. It is no surprise that they aren't satisfied with what they are doing and keep trying new "techniques" etc. to capture that ellusive something that is missing. They would be better served looking inward with as much intensity as they analysis Dmax curves, developer combinations and the meaning of Max Black. It is only thru rigours introspection that one can come to any understanding of what an artist wants to express. It's no wonder that many of the most successful artist are very tortured souls. They are constantly searching within themselves for the meaning of life as it applies to them and how they want to represent it to the world.

    We all at APUG could stand looking at the same scene and each one of us would "feel", "see" and "experience it" in our own unique ways based on our own internal reaction to it. It is only when we look at one of these "scenes" and then think, now I wonder how AA would have photographed/printed this that we short circuit our own artistic interpretation. But then it's easier to try and mimic someone else than to get in touch with our own feelings etc and put them out there for the world to see.

    Some will say, they try and take pictures like their favorite photographer so they can learn. Fair enough, but at some point you have to cut the strings and go it alone.

    This takes guts and few have the stomach for it.
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    Don:

    I don't think that we consciously need to pay attention to our MAP. If, as you say, it is a part of us then it is already influencing everything that we do.

    We have had passing comments between us in the past that I have said that I think you overthink some things, you being a very introspective person. My personal opinion is that many things don't need conscious thought and instead just need our joyous reaction. ( I always loved Zen Mind, Beginner Mind)

    I think that most people form themselves in their thought processes and evolve into what they want to be. From there I think that their reaction to the world around them, is sincere and genuine, without conscious thought.

    Another point you made is that perhaps empathic people photograph uplifting photographs and depressed people photograph dark and hopeless things. That could be true but I think that if you look at say, Migrant Mother, which is a pretty depressing picture, that it's creator may have been a empathetic person, showing this series of work to arouse people's emapthy.

    What I'm trying to say is that maybe a person whose view of life is of abundance renewal etc would also photograph that which they are disturbed by, perhaps to get across a social or political point. Such a person may rarely photograph beautiful things because they are trying to get the world to become more beautiful by photographing uglyness.

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    I think my photography is getting better recently because I've begun shooting when I can say, "Ohhh, doesn't that light look nice over there."
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    I think people photograph for many reasons and they don't need to incorporate a personal world view. Many people photograph trains or cars, or slot canyons, or machinery etc because they are fascinated with the subject matter, maybe grew up in an atmosphere that incorproated what they love to photograph. I don't think you need to define O' Winston Link's work with love or poverty or kindness or malice. I think the guy was in love with trains and the idea of presenting them in a bigger than life way.

    I think everyone who is serious applies MAP. It is just the meanings may be a little less dramatic. Like Gary Winnogrand, sometimes I just photograph to see what something looks like as a photograph.

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    I think people photograph for many reasons and they don't incorporate a personal world view. Many people photograph trains or cars, or slot canyons, or machinery etc because they are fascinated with the subject matter, maybe grew up in an atmosphere that incorproated what they love to photograph. I don't think you need to define O' Winston Link's work with love or poverty or kindness or malice. I think the guy was in love with trains and the idea of presenting them in a bigger than life way.

    Of course I am sure there are others who have phtographed trains in a not so flattering way demonstrating environmental damage, rape of the land etc etc which would demonstrate their world view.

    I think everyone who is serious applies MAP. It is just the meanings may be a little less dramatic. Like Gary Winnogrand, sometimes I just photograph to see what something looks like as a photograph.

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    I feel very ignorant, but what does "MAP" stand for and why does Don's post just say 13?
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    MAP = Middle Aged Photographer. The time at which a crisis is likely to emerge. If we're lucky the crises will involve nothing worse than decisions related to exposure, processing or whether to quit our day jobs.

    13 = The age intervals at which crises are likely to occur, i.e.:

    "I'm 13, yippee! What! Now I'm a man? Yikes!"

    "I'm 26, I'm more than a Quarter Century Old!"

    And so on.
    Three degrees of separation from Kevin Bacon.

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    I am 39 and therefore going through my 3rd trimester(3x13) and MAP.
    I am sure MAP is a disease, an afflliction that can only be cured by copius amounts of Pyro, a daily dose of Azo and a licking of Photoflo applied liberally.

    Like Juan said earlier I have just started taking pictures of what I like the way I like it. Sure I am influenced and inspired by others but I now shoot for me. My photography and 'illness' are both better for it

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    glad someone asked "MAP" and "13" cause you had me stumped!

    hmmm.. I'll think about this for awhile

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