Beutifully written, Aggie!!
Originally Posted by Aggie
I wish I had said that ....
Ed Sukach, FFP.
And you know Aggie...
There are still people out there trying to make something more out of 'Puff the Majic Dragon' than what it is - somethings just have to have more meaning for some people...
Too Bad they aren't like us....
Isn't that a shame? Some people can read anything into a simple metaphorical story about hallucinogenic drug use.
Originally Posted by photomc
That is called grain. It is supposed to be there.
Just develop your own style with maturity and not worry what others do or think.
Cogito, ergo sum.
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- "However, there are still artists who consciously and emphatically attempt to avoid tendency of any kind by renouncing completely the representational, even the problematical. Often they believe they can work instinctively and aimlessly, like Nature, which, without visible purpose, gives form and color to crystals, plants, stones—everything that exists. They give their paintings obscure names, or just numbers. Evidently this method is based upon the attempt to produce pure stimulus, as in music, through intentional elimination of all other effectual possibilities. The painter is to be nothing but a creator of form and color. Whether these artists believe their work has no “deeper meaning,” or whether they impart to it an emotional or metaphysical meaning hardly perceptible to the spectator, the fact remains that they intentionally renounce all the artist's possibilities of ideological influence (in the areas of eroticism, religion, politics, aesthetics, morality, etc.), standing silent and indifferent, that is, irresponsibly, in relation to social occurrence, or - in cases where that is not the intention - they work in vain through ignorance and ineptitude."
(read the whole, short, book if you can find it)
Blah, blah, blah. If Grozs could see it so obviously in 1925, it's a tragedy that so few self-righteous art students can manage it in 2004. I also have to wonder when I see lengthy monologues against pretense.
bjorke and others...
u knwo, there are so many opinions about the art and its function etc... u can find full shelves in the labrary only on this thing. i look at the histoty of art, at the great artists... take an example |Goya (i think everyone will agree that he is one of the greatests). is he creating colors and forms... well sure he is.. is it beautiful... have no words to say how much. but there is some much critisism from goy towards society. there is so much "higher meanings" about the humanity etc etc. he painted jesus (a very famous of his paintings). what is that picture - an icon???!!!
he expressed throughthe colors and forms a new attitude towards "jisus" and by that broke the rules of religion. how???
well, at the bigginig there were paintings of jesus in form of icons. then they moved to very thin and ill, suffering jesus with plenty of symbols etc., all from the bible stories. here comes Goya - revolution in his expression. the "form" of jisus was of a normal man with flash etc. the color was much pinkier. the church at some time lost its suverinienity on "thought".
so, u say that no higher meanings etc...
Not the easiest "read" I've encountered recently.
Originally Posted by bjorke
The way I understand it, George Grosz and Weiland Herzefeld were bemoaning the "danger to art" caused by the strict limits being imposed on art by politics and commecialism. As I see it - this is a call for re-introducing FREEDOM into art - translation: "Do your own thing - and save art."
BTW - I am am marginally familiar with some of Gerge Grosz' work. A little tough to take ... and difficlt to avoid the "pornography" label.
In roaming thriugh the "links" from the parent website, here, I came across a reinforcement of something I've been saying ... an alternative view to those who say that every work of art (read: photograph) *MUST* carry a clear "message" or it is a "failure":
"A painting requires a little mystery, some vagueness, some fantasy. When you always make your meaning perfectly plain, you end up boring people"
- Edgar Degas
Ed Sukach, FFP.
Wow. Someone is a little steamed, aren't they. I guess what most of us here are saying in our own way is, we have heard the same stuff from various people (teachers, critics, others) regarding the meaning of art, and the secret hidden meanings / motivations etc etc etc ad nauseum. Art, whatever the heck it is, is not in any danger. Today's guru is tomorrow's laughable has-been, the hacks come and go. Art (whatver it is) changes (a bit), and stays the same (a bit). To borrow from the tone of the note that kicked this thread off, opinions are like assholes.... Everybody has one. So, let the students, wannabes and hacks have their moment. They will be replaced by someone else soon enough. Meanwhile do what pleases you, and to hell with the rest. While they are jabbering and wasting daylight, you wil be DOING something.
Art is not dangerous those who take issue with it are.
I spent five years getting a creative writing degree and I had the same arguments as you did, just about the people who wanted to be "writers" so they could live the "writer" lifestyle. I then spent several years in the Archaeology department and encountered the same types, they just tended to smell worse. My brother makes distinctions between artists and "Arteests". ON the flip side of the coin are those with your attitude who waste their time fuming about the Arteests. I am now an educator (for the money and prestige of course) who can say with dead certainty that you are wasting your time. Because I was just like you. I have not written a story in almost ten years, and I cannot look at a piece of pueblo pottery without feeling instantly exhausted. You will burn yourself out. Relax and shoot film. and avoid the speaking part of student art exhibitions.
I was told by a sculptor once that anyone who really wants to learn art should not go to art school but should become an apprentice to learn their chosen craft. sound advice.
Take classes that will get you a job if you want to go to school. find a teacher, a guide, or a master if you want to learn art.
Technological society has succeeded in multiplying the opportunities for pleasure, but it has great difficulty in generating joy. Pope Paul VI
So, I think the "greats" were true to their visions, once their visions no longer sucked. Ralph Barker 12/2004