I was somewhat amused to read in a few of the posts lately about the total disdain for the so- called commercialism of photography.
JDEF, as is his right, believes that virtually any image done for money is somehow crass and derivative, as well as generally boring. What seems to appeal to him is pictures taken in a family environment showing a loving interaction.
Fine that works for me too.
Michael A Smith stated that there are times while driving along, that he saw a vista, but would not stop his truck for it, because he deemed it too commercial for his sensibilities, and he would not sully himself or stoop so low as to take this picture and accept money for it.
We should all be so moral.
I, and a few others here take IMAGES ( I just said that to piss people off) sorry, photographs, that we fully intend to sell to people. We intend to sell as many and in as big a sizes as possible, to as many people as we can. We intend to blow these things up as big as they will go, in order to collect as much money as possible. We fully intend to wear the numbers off these poor unsuspecting soulís credit cards, to squeeze every last ounce of blood from them. And we will smile the whole time.
However we do, and have for years, spent most of our spare time studying and learning everything we can about this craft. We join groups, webgroups, associations, and fraternities to grow and understand this medium. We buy equipment, rent equipment, and build equipment to further enhance our chosen profession.
We are the people who make memories for millions of families for get togethers, weddings, birthdays, or just because they need a reminder of their families at this time in their lives.
We are the people who fill the pages of magazines, newspapers, and text books. We are the people who illustrate the ads for all the products that you hate but still flock to the stores to buy, every single day.
We are the people who shame you onto buying the closet full of clothes that you bought because you didnít think you were worthy, without them.
We are the people who took the pictures that got you into wars and the people that took the pictures that got you out of them.
We are the people who broadened our horizons and went into motion picture making to influence the world with our movies.
We are the people who have recorded history for the world since we first started using this medium, and have collectively recorded most or the people on the planet. Early on we only accepted chickens and goats for our efforts but have since learned that money is better.
We do this every day, prostituting ourselves for the filthy money that we take home to further our obsession. You have no idea at the shame we feel about this. However, we have managed to hold our heads up high, while we pass you on the street, as you go to your jobs, and collect your salaries to feed those same families, that we will one day perhaps prey upon.
Even in our shame, we will happily supply you with our expertise on this medium, so that you can, on the weekends, take out your cameras, and produce photographs, not tainted by commerce, that perhaps will hang one day in the galleries for the morally upright.
We do this so you will have the self- satisfaction in knowing that you practiced your art in a moral and wholesome manner, and never once did you sell out and accept money for your efforts.
We of the commercially unwashed salute you.
LOL!!! I like you, Michael.
From one photographic prostitute to another, well said.
Careful Michael, next you will be accused of being a conservative.
And "America the Beautiful" was hummed eloquently in the background. Upon the final statement A member of the choir draped the American flag over michael's shoulders. The blazing orange sun slipped beyond the hoizon as quietly as the crowd, wiping tears from their eyes, slowly walked from the gathering.
On a serious note that was well said Michael. Those who make a living from their cameras have my respect.
I am a bit confused by the statements of those who feel commercial photography is of lesser quality. Hell I see plenty of shots that I wish I had the vision necessary to take. Jody Dole is amazing (100% digital these days but I can forgive him). The person or persons who shot the Victorias Secret commercials and subsequent stills has me in Awe. (and I am not being a sexist pig who slobbered over the girls either!)
What is it exactly that people do not like? This question has yet to be answered with anything but silence.
Technological society has succeeded in multiplying the opportunities for pleasure, but it has great difficulty in generating joy. Pope Paul VI
So, I think the "greats" were true to their visions, once their visions no longer sucked. Ralph Barker 12/2004
Being a photo whore aswell I can see your point, but don't really see the need to express it in this company.
There are many different kinds of artists. Those that produce "art by the yard" for quick sale at reduced prices, those that price there stuff in the stratosphere because they just feel it's worth it, those that give it away and those that see it more as a business. Each is correct in their own sphere and develop their own criteria for justifying it. Hey we all have to feel good about ourselves at the end of the day.
I think most of the participants on this board are serious amateurs and as such can take whatever high road they wish, as their livelyhood is not dependant on the sale of their art. There's nothing wrong with their opinions it's what is to be expected.
My former wife is an academic. I use to have to go to endless parties where all these PhD's would sit around and pontificate on the moral backruptcy of todays business world. Now this coming from people who either have never worked in the "real" world, or were so maladjusted they couldn't survive. It's easy to rest on your laurels when you don't really have to produce anything anyone wants to pay for. I can only speak to the business faculty, as naturally they wouldn't associate with anyone from the arts.
Michael I know you post a lot of stuff that is tongue in cheek, but the tone of this one is a bit bitter. Having a bad day are we?
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Sorry I was outside loading my money into the Brinks truck, or I wouldn't have taken so long to reply.
No, just another great day in paradise.
But I have to admit I'll be having a bad day of those damn retread Calgary Flames ending up beating the Sharks.
Then you'll see a bad day.
Why are we all so hung up on drawing every position in stark black and white with *NO* shades of intermediate gray?
I revel in, and enjoy "fine art" photography... doing what *I* damn well WANT to do - my decision.
If someone came over and offered "X" amount of filthy money for one of my works, I just might accept it. if I did, I would not feel even a tiny bit guilty as a result.
I also do "commercial". I don't consider that an immoral act either. I'll take a photograph that someone else wants me to take, and accept money for it.
I suppose I *could* go out and photograph for the express purpose of selling the photographs ... composing a calendar, for example, of post cards... and selling them. I haven't, and really have no desire to do that - but if someone elses does .... fine with me.
What was the question again?
Ed Sukach, FFP.
Go Flames Go!! Whadda mean retreads?! We'll see. Maybe we should get a friendly little bet going on?
Originally Posted by blansky
In the time that I have experienced your presence in whatever small way via this site, I have been left to wonder many times at the arrogant stance that you take in regard to knowing the "answer" as it should be practiced by everyone of the rest of us that don't quite measure up to your elevated view of how things should be.
I acknowledge that you have a right to your viewpoint...whatever that happens to be on any consecutive day or hour or minute. Why won't you allow that same priviledge to everyone else?
Your viewpoint, which I acknowledge, is from primarily a commercial viewpoint. Does that make the rest of us who live on the income from our trust funds and don't give a "rats ass" about ever making a dime from our photographs wrong? (I said "photographs", just to piss you off)
You spout errant H.S about "Zen Mind - Beginners Mind". Spout is about all that I see. I see little of it that has infiltrated your life...at least by virtue of your arrogant, elevated stance.
This psuedo "God Like Bullshit" sickens me.
Flames win, I'll send you a great bottle of Cabernet.
Sharks win you send me a NHL Flames home jersey (red XXL)
No matter what happens you can keep Sutter.
Shit we gave you Kipper for nothing.