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    So tell me ... The question stands, eternally. We are admonished to inspect our own conduct and mindsets by our National Anthem ...

    "Oh, say does that Star-Spangled banner still wave
    O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave?"

    ... And yes, that final question mark *IS* properly there.

    --- Or are we "The land of the fearful - to the point where we lose track of reality, and purposely surrender our freedom - for the mistaken "gain of security" - because of that fear?"

    We are being bullied, not only by the terrorists - but by our own government. Have we forgotten - the only hope that a bully has for success is that the victim allows their fear to overrule their intellect.

    Who was it that said, "The only thing we have to fear is fear itself."

    That was true then - and it is even more so now.
    Carpe erratum!!

    Ed Sukach, FFP.

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    Mayor Bloomberg came out against the ban.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bjorke
    Oh, and by the way: HCB doesn't have a grave.
    Well I don't anything about that, but if he had one.....


    That is called grain. It is supposed to be there.
    =Neal W.=

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    Yes, he's still alive, isn't he? I believe he devotes more time to drawing than to photography of late.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ed Sukach
    Who was it that said, "The only thing we have to fear is fear itself."

    That was true then - and it is even more so now.
    FDR at his first inauguration:
    "So, first of all, let me assert my firm belief that the only thing we have to fear is fear itself -- nameless, unreasoning, unjustified terror which paralyzes needed efforts to convert retreat into advance"
    That is called grain. It is supposed to be there.
    =Neal W.=

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    Just paid a visit to my boyhood home of St. Simons Island, Georgia (US) which will host the G-8 conference in a couple of weeks. The military has set up some kind of strange looking radar installation at the local civilian airport - there are concrete barricades all around obviously in position to block the streets.

    The local police held a meeting a couple of weeks ago to discuss where they will allow demonstrators to congregate and agitate. The officials happened to mention that they will stop and question anyone seen photographing anything that is not what a tourist would obviously be photographing.

    The local Marxists, homeless advocates, International ANSWER representatives and the general local troublemakers immediately (and yes I mean that very night) went to Kmart and Walmart, bought cheap cameras, and went around taking photographs of everything in sight daring the authorities to arrest them.

    So far, I'm not aware of anyone being arrested, and no one said a thing to me as I carried a Speed Graphic on a tripod this weekend.
    juan

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    Quote Originally Posted by juan
    So far, I'm not aware of anyone being arrested, and no one said a thing to me as I carried a Speed Graphic on a tripod this weekend.
    juan
    Be careful. America's descent into fascism is real, pervasive and beginning to accelerate. No photograph is worth a stint in jail or a beating, or both.

    Within the last year I've been run off of both National Park property and the National Arboretum, which has an official, published policy allowing any and all photography for non-commercial use anywhere within the facility except where it would impede pedestrian traffic (such as in the bonsai pavilion). Rent-a-cops with guns are not impressed with such annoying trivialities as rules or laws. They see a large format camera and a tripod and the little switch in their brains get flipped to "commercial - not allowed without a permit".

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    I have a friend from an eastern european country that finds Americans incredibly naive about the eas in which a country can become dictatorial.

    One comment that boggled his mind was spoken by an administration official regarding the patriot act and went something to the effect "If you aren't doing anything wrong you have nothing to worry about." This was the type of thing said in his country to appease moderates whilst those on the fringes were gathered up.

    He is also somewhat astonished that a country this large, free and rich is so easily lead around by its nose.

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    We take our freedoms for granted & we can't imagine becoming another banana republic. Yet the freedoms we value most are freedom from fear and freedom of consumption. We've become disinterested in politics at the very time when our future direction is being determined by a narrow-minded, anti-democratic group of right-wingers who are very capable of manipulating our fears for their benefit. Freedom to photograph in public places is only one of many freedoms we're willing to sacrifice as we head towards a fascist state.
    "One Nation - Under Surveilance".
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    "Progress is only a direction, and it's often the wrong direction"

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    Want to generate a migraine quickly? Spend the day reading about the origins of the political philosophies of the last 150 years. Nazism, fascism, socialism, and communism. On the surface utopia sounds so good. Too bad individuals screwed it up. Wait i read about that one too. Maybe i will stick with what we have.

    http://www.d-holliday.com/tmore/utopia.htm

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