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    First the image was not a photograph. It was a pastel painting of a concept not an actual event. It was political in nature. It is not less political than the ones painting during the French revolution. Like Jim has said, she and her gallery were noticed. The reaction was one that is indicative of the neighborhood she was in. North Beach is a mix of very low income and high income, huge Italian community, and one of the biggest tourist areas in SF. It is where Fisherman's Wharf and Pier 39 are located. You are going to have a influx of what is mostly middle America passing by. This was in the SF Chronicle today. http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cg...01/asparks.DTL It gives you an idea of the kind of people who would have ben passing. Does it make it right that she was attacked? NO! But as Jim has said, she should not have been surprised by the reaction.

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    Another case in point was the conservative Denver talk show host who was pretty far to the right and got murdered for his views. Not a proper reaction to someone elses views but I guess it comes with the territory.
    Did a search & only Denver radio host murdered was Alan Berg who was killed by a White Power/Aryan group. Not that the left has never resorted to violence, but most of political violence in America over last 20-30 years has been by American right-wingers.
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    Jim, I would think that anyone in this country should be able display controversial artwork and be surprised if it sparks violence. That is like saying I shouldn't be surprised when someone burns down my house when I write a critical letter to the editor about the current war. I would be surprised, and I have a right to expect to live in peace - even if my views are not popular with a large group in this country.

    As far as accepting adverse reaction - the gallery owner should expect a negative reaction, but it should come in the form of lost sales, and not violence and property destruction. At most a peaceful protest against the artwork is called for.

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    jdef, from my reading of the posts on this thread i think the general consensus is condemnation of the attack and the reference to the KKK was an exaggerated example to make a point. There is no forgiveness for the attacker and no justification for what was done. I don't know exactly how strong the feelings over the whole Iraq thing run over in the US but the piece of art in question does sound contentious. Anyone displaying such a piece in a community where feelings are running high should expect a reaction, and i may be cynical but i suspect that was the reason for the display. It just went further than the gallery owner expected. In my opinion she was naive. I do not condone in any way what happened but a person does not automatically become blameless the moment they become a victim. I would not wak into a pub in Tottenham on a Saturday in April in a West Ham football Strip mouthing off at anyone in White. I have the freedom to and the right to, but i also have common sense.
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    Okay, I edited the gender in my post. Didn't change the sentiment a bit. I have zero respect for this person when they put such an image up and then claim to be devoid of politics. They would just as quickly be selling cattle prods and batons if they thought it would turn a better margin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bjorke
    Okay, I edited the gender in my post. Didn't change the sentiment a bit. I have zero respect for this person when they put such an image up and then claim to be devoid of politics. They would just as quickly be selling cattle prods and batons if they thought it would turn a better margin.
    So a gallery owner should only display works that are non-controversial, or that they are willing to fight for? So should I assume that violence against gun stores should be tolerated in your world, because they are only there to make a buck, and some people disagree with their product?

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    What this article points up to me is that in general, all over the world, public sentiment is changing from one which embraces diversity, creativity, inclusion and personal liberty to one which is defensive, fearful, divisive and angry. This sea change in general attitude is only getting started in the US, and it's not limited by any means to the art world or to any particular place on the political spectrum. It seems like we've been smitten with a plague of global road rage affecting every facet of modern life. Awareness is our best defense against it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bjorke
    Okay, I edited the gender in my post. Didn't change the sentiment a bit. I have zero respect for this person when they put such an image up and then claim to be devoid of politics. They would just as quickly be selling cattle prods and batons if they thought it would turn a better margin.
    bjorke, not to be argumentative, but...

    Did you see the painting? How do you know it is war profiteering and or exploitive? As far as her being devoid of politics, she did say, "This isn't art-politics central here at all. I'm not here to make a stand. I never set out to be a crusader or a political activist." . I'm not sure that means that she is feigning innocence of the paintings message or that she is without any morals and would sell anything to turn a buck.

    The argument that she should expect this kind of reaction is puzzling. Should Bush or his supporters expect physical attacks when they voice their opinions in downtown Detroit? DT Detroit is the toughest place I have ever been (and I have been up and down CA many times) and Bush is about as popular there as a pay toilet in a diarrhea ward, but neither he nor his supporters are attacked. How is it that she should expect this ?

    Bottom line to me is that she is being intimidated to not display work she has every right to display. I don’t care what her motives are or what the message is* or were it is located (even if it is the very tough SF area) – it is wrong and no one should have to ‘expect it.’


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    Help me out here - can you describe what exactly is an "anti-America type"? Is there a field guide one may purchase? I would just like to know how to spot one. Where do they nest? Where do they feed? Have any been bred in captivity? Do they have unique mating rituals? Do they really exist, or is this a new example of one of those Urban Legends?
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    This is the way dessent is addressed in this country now. The "you are either with us or against us" mentality is the all purpose filter to marginalize and of course if you do dessent you hate america.



    *please don’t use this as an opening to bring up child porn or some other irrelevant subject.

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    Would it not be nice (and balanced) if someone were to display artwork depicting the good as well, the sacrifices made by soldiers fighting against terrorist organisations, the changes in people's lives during pre- and post-regime change. For once I would love to have a thread started by something like that (or is it really all just bad soldiering on a mass scale, evil US politicians, etc.?). Perhaps these kind of subject matter is not provocative enough to sell. This reminds me or an art work installed sometime ago in Stockholm which in my mind paid homage to a woman suicide bomber in Israel (I cannot express my opinion of this "art" in a public forum like the internet - I will accept private emails on this issue, no problem). Art or PR ploy?

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    Jim, at no point did i say she 'had it coming' and i do not condone violence to express an opinion or to suppress others.
    The people of this form are obviously educated and intelligent enough to express their views and listen to opposing argument without resorting to name calling or threats of violence which is great and as it should be. My point was trying to be this.

    THE REAL WORLD IS NOT LIKE THAT.

    It is a world where a person gets stabbed to death for not indicating at a roundabout. It is a world where a person gets burned alive in the street because someone else doesn't understand the difference between a muslim and a sheik (and probably wouldn't have cared anyway) and it is a world where a gallery owner can get smacked in the face because some small minded neanderthal troll didn't like a picture she chose to display. We like to think we have freedom to express ourselves and voice our opinions but we have to accept that other people think differently.
    This is of course wrong but standing up to this mentality will occasionally earn you a smack in the mouth. You either roll with it or you keep your head down.
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