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    You can twist and turn an inkjet print a thousand different ways, but is still won't come out like a silver print. Even though they try and try. I won't give you my background, but I still make silver prints because there is no substitute. Inkjet prints are of course common now since they are easy to make, and you can make a whole bunch while you are sleeping, but in terms of quality they just don't compare. I know it takes a lot of effort to go in the darkroom and make prints. If you believe it is the best way for you to do so, then do it. They are your images. Just because some old f*rts at a seminar you went to are taking the easy route and have themselves convinced it is the same doesn't mean you should hoodwink yourself too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wclark5179 View Post
    If you have a day job, you're probably OK.

    I find many artists let their art get in the way of business.
    I find to many artists let business get in the way of their Art.

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    I'm not certain, but wouldn't darkroom prints last longer than ink jet prints?
    Those who know, shoot film

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    Quote Originally Posted by sarahfoto View Post
    I argued that the handmade print would be more valuable than the ink-jet but then they through out all these arguments about - if you can keep the original and still make money of copies, what's the harm? -Even Picasso sold copies of his art etc...
    I thought printing a negative onto paper WAS making a copy...
    Have I missed something?

    This sounds a lot like the time when I was talking about photography with the director of an art museum who told me that they stopped having analog photography classes because "...only artists use analog photography."

    I wanted to knock on her forehead and say, "Hello? Is this the ART MUSEUM? Isn't this where the ARTISTS are?"

    Basically I just hear people making up reasons to justify themselves regardless of the actual facts.
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    Stick to your guns. You cannot educate those who will not listen and learn. Find another gallery.

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    I think, that, your art is worth what the buyer will pay.

    Many artists offer choices, silver prints or ink jet prints. Silver prints are always priced much higher than ink jet variety. Many people can't afford, don't care, or know the difference between ink jet and silver. For those people, it really doesn't matter. For you, it's a revenue. For those that do know the difference and willing to pay for silver and see it worth while to pay extra, it's MORE revenue to you.

    I'd have a problem if an artist misrepresented his/her product but as long as they are clearly stated which - I don't see any problem with either of reproduction methods. For you, I think, you'll have to decide which is more important - only sell to those who appreciate and pay for silver prints or sell to those who appreciate your art - at the level they can afford. Only you can make that choice.
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    If you are only comfortable with selling darkroom-produced prints, there is another option; offer a "premium" print on a non-standard paper (such as, say, Azo/Lodima, etc) or using more specialized techniques such as platinum/palladium or salt printing, and also offer a "regular" print of the same image on RC paper.

    As a real-world example, a couple of Christmases ago, I bought a print from a Bulgarian photographer I liked; he wanted to sell the 8x10 print on old (presumably cold-stored) Communist-era Bulgarian paper for $850; after I indicated that was out of my price range, he offered the 8x10 print on new RC paper for $150. I'm very happy with it, and he was more than happy to sell it to me.

    If you think you will be selling large quantities of "regular" prints, this may not be a viable option (or at least might be a lot of work), but for a handful of each, or on-demand, I don't see why this wouldn't work.
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    I do not sell photography myself and I would not buy any either. However I do visit galleries and museum's to see the Sivler Gelatin Prints. Really nice to see from a skilled craftsman. I do not know what a person should sell or not actually. I imagine it's up to the photographer to decide what they want to do. Probably the most important thing is that the technology or methods used should be up front and honest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sarahfoto View Post
    I have an offer to sell my prints through a gallery. All the other photographers have portfolios on show and for sale and there is a webgallery. They are all offering portfolios with "archival fine art pigment prints"

    ... what do you think?
    What I find truly infuriating is that on the one hand you hear people saying how wonderful inkjet is because it's so inexpensive in terms of overhead and time and you can make infinite identical copies... but at the same time setting ridiculous price points more in line with handmade silver prints. (And yeah I know the counterargument: if you can get a customer to part with more cash then why not?!) There is such a tremendous need to educate the customer, if you really plan to make a decent income traditional prints. I think a big, big part of that is not to mat and frame but instead to let the customer see the paper, feel the paper, see the edges, see the camera....

    As was said before, this is a decision for you alone. Just bear in mind that the prints other photographers hanging near yours can affect how your prints are seen. That can be a good thing or a bad thing.... it's up to you to decide which.

    Personally, I would not offer two different kinds of prints (e.g. silver plus inkjet). I think it is very important to commit fully to your process so that you can present your vision in as clear and consistent a manner as possible. It is of course your decision, though.
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    I'd say if you print it yourself in the darkroom. You have made the photo from the start to the very end. How much do you love your own stuff??
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