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    Heavy hand of the law



    My wife has asked me to post this and bring attention to the Politically sanctioned destruction of one of the worlds more important archaeological sites.

    Allianoi is/was the best preserved Roman Hot Springs Spa in the world, with many other significant remains as well.

    Unfortunately it's the first time something like this has happened to such an important archaeological site in Turkey so conservationists etc haven't really got their act together, the Allianoi website's English link says no translation available, Look at their images they speak for themselves.

    The Turkish Culture Minister and Environment Ministers say it's insignificant, unimportant, there was nothing there.

    However they didn't seem to think so today when they posted these guys at the site:



    Most of the site's now buried, but that's easily undone before flooding. This is about all that remains visible (reduced to approx 2% of the original).




    I was there with an LF camera, there was to be a last visit with the archaeologist who'd spent 15+ years excavating the site, but instead we met the Riot Squad



    The Turkish Prime minister Recep Tayyip Erdoğan's Praetorian Guards made their presence known.

    I make no apology for these images being digital. I was originally there to also make LF film images for myself, but when access was denied I had a job to do documenting the protest for some magazines etc.

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    Ain't that something! I hope it's not contagious.

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    How big a bribe was given to the Turkish Culture Minister and Environment Ministers?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sirius Glass View Post
    How big a bribe was given to the Turkish Culture Minister and Environment Ministers?

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    Well the protest moved to Pergamon. My wife's an International Tour Guide (Turkish) they laid a black wreath at the chairlift station

    A friend of the Prime minister has built a chair lift to the Acropolis, damaging the city walls and other remains, it was illegal, but the US backed government has just passed laws that make it immune from future prosecution

    I should add the Jendarme were also carrying sub-machine guns !!!!

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    Ian strange you posted that as I had previously read this last week!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Grant View Post
    A friend of the Prime minister has built a chair lift to the Acropolis, damaging the city walls and other remains, it was illegal, but the US backed government has just passed laws that make it immune from future prosecution

    Ian
    I was sympathetic to this issue until until it was blamed on my country.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Grant View Post
    ...it was illegal, but the US backed government has just passed laws that make it immune from future prosecution

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    That's right blame it on the big dog on the block. Why not? 'Course when you all get into trouble who you gonna call? It's always our fault until you need us, then it's "can you help us out?", and of course, we usually do. And what do we get for it? Snide little backhanded comments from the peanut gallery.
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    Umm, but let's be honest, our dear old USA has a long track record of propping up exploitive and repressive governments, usually to collect cheap natural resources. The last six or seven decades of such stuff are producing the blow-back that's causing some of our major problems today. Of course, in the Middle East, the Brits and some others had a hand in things too, we were not alone.

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    I have been wondering all day how much better things might be in the US right now if we didn't "back" other governments, or as my countryman DW suggests, prop up exploitative and repressive governments. What if we just took care of ourselves and let other countries look after their own interests? We might not be trillions of dollars in debt, we would probably have enough of a surplus to cut taxes as the conservatives would like, and would have more money to spend on social programs that the liberals want. Several thousand of the most incredible young soldiers, sailors, airmen and Marines in the world would still be with their families now. We could use the resources we are now spending on providing "security" and "nation building" and "democracy" in Iraq, Afghanistan, and many other countries of the world to secure our own borders against terrorists, drug smugglers and illegal aliens, solving 3 of our problems at once. Surely, Germany and Japan can stand on their own by now and don't really need our bases and armed forces and equipment in their countries any longer. Just pay our UN dues and contribute forces to ISAF like other countries, and call it good enough...

    ...then on the evening news Diane Sawyer tells me about an Afghan girl who was married against her will to an abusive husband who forced her to sleep in a stable with animals. She ran away and was captured, and the Taliban gave her husband permission to cut off her nose and ears, which he did, leaving her for dead. She managed to crawl to the house of her uncle, who refused to help her. She finally reached and was given lifesaving medical attention by whom??? A US Army medical team. She ended up receiving cosmetic surgery to restore her nose and ears where???? The US, of course.


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    sorry to hear of this ian.

    maybe it has to do with the current political elections and climate ?
    this isn't the first time the government there has suggested this sort of thing ....
    it happened at ani, and a lot of the areas in eastern anatolia.

    maybe "eco-tourism" will help save this endangered area ... i hope so !

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