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    The gurad not being a photographic enthusiast, he had no ways to really be certain what the device really was.... was it an analog camera with no film in it or was it something else? The guard didn't know David or his friend. All he knew was, it wasn't common or natural for someone to be doing what they were doing there. Certainly, it wasn't related to why the building exists. It didn't need to be done there. (Com'on you say? People trick people all the time...)

    We are all nervous about our safety and security and it is his job to prevent the worst. It was his job to expect the unexpected. So he errored on side abundunce of caution. He might even have seen the worst taking place in back of his head. So he asked them to leave. I can see why he did that.

    Was David's rights violated? In technical sense, I guess? Was it that important of a right to be so upset about? Not to me, but I'm not David.

    From little searching I did, David appears to be an activist of some sort. I can see from his point of view, this is a violation of his rights and every little bit of errosion adds up to (eventually) loss of big portion of freedom. I can see that too.

    But in the world we live in today? I don't see how things can stay the way it used to be.
    Develop, stop, fix.... wait.... where's my film?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Daniel View Post
    I will raise another issue related to hospitals: patient privacy. I walked on to the grounds of a nearby hospital one day with a camera on a tripod, and by the time I had all three legs on the ground there was security guard by my side saying that I couldn't take photos. I asked him why, and he said it was to protect patient's privacy. I said that I was not including any people in the shot. He said that the hospital was erring on the patient's side, and he gave me the name and number of someone to call to discuss access for photography.
    David never did manage to tell the Special Agent in Charge whether he was on hospital property or public property. Seems to me that would be a critical piece of information.

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    Quote Originally Posted by moose10101 View Post
    Why ask that question using any terminology? It doesn't address the issue.
    Because you used the term in
    The question isn't, "Can I dry-fire a camera to test the shutter?"
    You introducted the term; not me. My point was not to obfuscate the problem with terminology, but evidently you completely missed the point of my post.
    Warning!! Handling a Hasselblad can be harmful to your financial well being!

    Nothing beats a great piece of glass!

    I leave the digital work for the urologists and proctologists.

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    Gentlemen { terminology used loosely },

    * I'm assuming female members wouldn't be involved in this CatFight !

    It's Friday { Saturday } ... Is This Really Necessary

    Put The Egos Away ! Put some friggin film in a frigging camera,
    and go take some friggin pictures. Before someone starts another
    " Film Is Dead " , or " Stop Bath vs Water Rinse " thread.

    50,913 Members at this moment, we all love analog photography
    lets take a little time to make each other right, instead of, who is wrong.

    I Eschew Negativity ...

    Enjoy The Weekend !

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    I believe that you will want to address your letter to the Department of Defense, as DoD is responsible for security at VA facilities.
    "We often think that when we have completed our study of one we know all about two, because 'two' is 'one and one'. We forget that we have still to make a study of 'and'."
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    another thread on "ignore"

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    Your letter is quite long winded, but from what I get out of it you are asking what you can photograph at the VA even though your issue is that you were standing on VA property distracting security personnel and possibly blocking an entrance and exit point and trying to conduct a business transaction with someone that was there for business with the VA but you were not there to escort them. Does that sum it up?

    I say drop it or just ask if you can photograph the VA from on the property or do you have to be off the property to photograph it.

    I believe that you should have the right to photograph whatever you want to from public property, or with permission on private property and if they don't want it photographed they should put up a wall, but as someone that has had to spend an unfair amount of time in VA hospitals I would also ask you to please not distract the VA Police while they are trying to keep the hospital safe for veterans that are too sick to defend themselves.
    "Would you like it if someone that painted in oils told you that you were not making portraits because you were using a camera?"
    "Shouldn't it be more about the joy of producing and viewing the photo than what you paid for the camera?"

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    To the OP; Less is More! Follow the advice of Sgt. Joe Friday; The facts, just the facts.

    Always get the name, or ID badge number, of anyone confronting/challenging you in the manner you describe.
    Include that person's name in any and all correspondence.

    In all facets of life, there is a chain-of-command. Send your inquiry to the head of the specific VA hospital in question first.
    If the response is not to your satisfaction, then send a follow-up inquiry to the regional head of Va hospitals, and so on, working your way up the chain.

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