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    Quote Originally Posted by Existing Light View Post
    at one point in the video, the police mentioned her saying something before she started recorded. It might be possible she threatened them in someway. If she did, then I wouldnt be so quick to say she's right. If she didnt do anything to threaten them before she turned the camera on, I hope those f*****s are dealt with as harshly as legally possible
    Free speech is also a right. If she expressed hostility in some way he had a chance to say something at the time. He first said to them "You guys need somethin?", saying nothing about hostility or anti-police comments, then later said he didn't feel safe and said they had said something anti-police, etc. If he had ordered them to stand further away, that would have been one thing, but he ordered them into the house, repeatedly.

    The woman was not standing in darkness, evidenced by the spotlight pointed at them. It makes me wonder how long a cop like that could make it in a large city, where arrests are made in conditions of poor lighting, surrounded by large numbers of people, often without a chance to establish a cordon.

    Police have a right to establish a reasonable space in which to work. The key word is "reasonable". Ordering people into their house, declaring he felt unsafe, while standing in the middle of the street is unreasonable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lxdude View Post
    Free speech is also a right. If she expressed hostility in some way he had a chance to say something at the time. He first said to them "You guys need somethin?", saying nothing about hostility or anti-police comments, then later said he didn't feel safe and said they had said something anti-police, etc. If he had ordered them to stand further away, that would have been one thing, but he ordered them into the house, repeatedly.

    The woman was not standing in darkness, evidenced by the spotlight pointed at them. It makes me wonder how long a cop like that could make it in a large city, where arrests are made in conditions of poor lighting, surrounded by large numbers of people, often without a chance to establish a cordon.

    Police have a right to establish a reasonable space in which to work. The key word is "reasonable". Ordering people into their house, declaring he felt unsafe, while standing in the middle of the street is unreasonable.

    I agree. What the police did was wrong. I'm not arguing that


    Having the police (vaguely) question her about what she said before she turned the camera on concerns me, not much but just a little. she might have knew the guy they had in custody at the beginning of the video and was threatening them. I'm also a little concerned about why she felt like she needed to go all the way to the edge of her yard to record the police arresting a man. she should be free to do what she wants on her own yard as long as she's not interfering with what the police are doing (if they're legally arresting a man) or interfering with the rights of others; I'm all for that. But why did she think "They're arresting someone. I need to get as close as I can and record it"? That seems a little suspicios to me. and did she have the camera on a tripod? The camera stays in one spot while she's being led to the police car.... Seems suspicious to me

    Now that I've typed that, I want to say she had the right to do that in her own yard as long as she wasnt threatening the police, the man they had, or anyone else. the police should have left her alone (I think it would have been fine if they asked what she was doing and then ignored her after she said she was just recording and nothing more). Just her feeling like she needed to be as close to the action as possible with a camera and the police questioning her about something she said before pressing Record seems a little suspicious to me. I hope this works out in her favor...
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    Quote Originally Posted by lxdude View Post
    The lawyer would likely take the case on contingency, so no money up front from the victim.
    I think I would represent myself for this one. I wouldn't want someone else to have all the fun!


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    I am all for people being able to photograph and record what they want, on public property, and your own yard.

    However, it seems some people are just doing this to piss off cops, especially when the first thing you say is "its my right to do this." Notice how the cop didn't say to stop recording or turn the camera off. He said back up and watch from your house. I am not sure about the "i don't feel safe," part, but she could have backed up some and would have been fine.

    Plus what is the point of filming a traffic stop like that one? Clearly it is not important and filming in not needed. Cops are arrogant, so when a power loving cop like that one says something and you don't do that, then he might take you to jail. I don't think that is right but that's what can happen.

    People need to realize that that thing we call the bill of rights, does not mean the same thing as when we made it up. It has been twisted out of its original meaning, by new laws, people in power etc. I think of rights as privileges, because sometimes rights can be taken away. Rights are not rights if someone can take them away.

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    Andrew, some rights are unalienable. They cannot be disposed of or taken away by whim or by law. An aggressor, whether acting under color of authority or not, can prevent you from exercising your right by force, but that doesn't somehow turn your right into a privilege.

    There may be some people who film cops to piss them off, but I doubt that is a common motive. Most people who film cops making an arrest do so in order to provide an independent documentary of the events. If the police are doing nothing wrong, this cannot hurt them. Too often though, video footage by observers starkly contradicts police statements and reports. This is why people film cops doing their job.
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    One time I got arrest for being ugly in public!

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    There's a cop here in Orlando who's gaining a reputation for arresting photographers (including one from a big news station). I know a guy arrested by him for filming. Supposedly, the guy was filming him macing someone while they were in handcuffs. The officer came up to him and asked him to stop filming or leave or something, when the guy refused to, the cop claims the guy pushed him. So he was arrested for battery on an officer, resisting without violence, and interfering with an investigation or something. So in court, the officer's side should be verified by the video right? Because the guy filming is what started the confrontation in the first place. Oh, well, about that--the camera was "never secured as evidence" and is lost. Not to mention the officer's entire story changed when it was found a street camera caught the whole thing and was subpoenaed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nhemann View Post

    I don't think the officer was impolite to her and actually quite calm, giving her a couple opportunities to do something different and she chose not to. I find it amusing that at the end she is all up in arms that they are arresting her. I applaud her efforts, but if you are going to go head to head with the cops at least understand and be prepared for the results - geeze.
    Where I disagree with you is the idea that he gave her a couple opportunities to do something else. The "something else" was to comply with his order to go in the house, which he should not have issued. I can well understand why she was upset at being arrested-he violated her rights. I would have been.

    Doing what he did politely or calmly only makes it somewhat better than if he had been impolite and angry.
    I do use a digital device in my photographic pursuits when necessary.
    When someone rags on me for using film, I use a middle digit, upraised.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff Kubach View Post
    One time I got arrest for being ugly in public!

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    It seemed to me - and its just me - that if her mission was to record the cops for the sake of documenting them, a little flexibility to let the officer think he was getting what he wanted would have been in order. Maybe not all the way in the house but half way there - that type of thing. Combating empowered arrogance takes a bit of finesse.

    I def don't think the officer was in the right, and I'm not proposing to blame the victim, but as most things, I would be curious to hear another version of the story from another angle. These things are rarely as they appear.
    "There is no such thing as objective reality in a photograph"

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