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    So this seems to happen to more folks than just me! I'm still working at it. For sunrises and sunsets I just figure on shooting color. It is nice that with the Mamiya 645 I can take two backs along. If it's sunny I just go with black and white, and if it's overcast I've been taking mainly black and white though this fall when it's overcast I'll be reaching for color more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ottrdaemmerung View Post
    When wondering whether to shoot a given scene in B&W or color, I ask myself what makes me want to photograph it? Is it the color? If so, I'll shoot color. Or is it the contrast in the elements of the scene, like the patterns of light and dark? If so, I'll shoot B&W.
    Yes!!! A famous photographer, can't remember which one, noted that the subject of a color photograph is the color itself. It is different for BW which emphasizes a physical object. Therefore, I am not surprised that it is hard to shift gears.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gerald C Koch View Post
    Yes!!! A famous photographer, can't remember which one, noted that the subject of a color photograph is the color itself. It is different for BW which emphasizes a physical object. Therefore, I am not surprised that it is hard to shift gears.
    I too recall seeing a similar statement, but it seems to me that it is a statement that could only be made by a photographer that shoots black and white almost exclusively .

    As a devils advocate I might say something like: "Colour is more authentic and natural, but if the subject of a photograph is its planes and shapes and textures, then it may be best to take the reality of the subject's colour out of the equation, and choose the more artificial but simpler black and white rendition".
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    Ansel Adams, from the introduction to The Negative - The New Ansel Adams Photography Series / Book 2

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    Here's my two cents. If you don't mind lugging around the extra gear, take it all with you. Do your best as the subject calls for within the scope of your vision.

    However, just because you have decided to dabble in color once again after such long inactivity, do not feel obligated to do so. And if you choose to choose one over the other for an outing and see a composition that favors that which you left behind, do not feel obligated to expose a frame.

    You might take everything with you and, once at your destination, lock the camera crap in the car. Go for a short walkabout with only your vision and see what beckons to your creativity.

    I think your putting way to much pressure on yourself. Gets in the way of creativity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sirius Glass View Post
    I did not mean to imply that the exposure for a black & white and a C-41 will necessarily be the same. The light meter will be set the same, but the same subject may be exposed differently depending on the shadow detail as well as other factors including filter usage.
    I think it has little anything to do with exposure Steve, but more about what makes a successful monochrome picture isn't the same as a colour picture, and I for one find it very hard to "think" in both at the same time, it's like trying to translate in two languages at once.
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    I find the hardest part is balancing B&W and colour printing. In one you're aiming for the best colour balance and in the other you're aiming for the best contrast. It also feels really weird printing in B&W with a safelight after being in total darkness with RA4 for a long time.
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    My solution is simple: just shoot black and white.

    I don't think color is going to catch on anyway.
    f/22 and be there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BetterSense View Post
    My solution is simple: just shoot black and white.

    I don't think color is going to catch on anyway.
    Explain?

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    Quote Originally Posted by benjiboy View Post
    I think it has little anything to do with exposure Steve, but more about what makes a successful monochrome picture isn't the same as a colour picture, and I for one find it very hard to "think" in both at the same time, it's like trying to translate in two languages at once.
    One of the things I started playing with when I got my RB was simply taking one shot B&W and switching backs to shoot exactly the same shot at exactly the same placement with an incident meter at box speed.

    What I found is that my best shots normally work well in either black or color. In fact for me it's been hard to find a nice B&W composition that won't work well in color.
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    Quote Originally Posted by brian steinberger View Post
    Explain?
    I think that was supposed to be sarcasm.
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