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    Thoughts on fashion -vs- art

    “Fashion is what seems beautiful now but looks ugly later; art can be ugly at first but it becomes beautiful later.” - Steve Jobs

    Interesting take. What do you think?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric Rose View Post
    “Fashion is what seems beautiful now but looks ugly later; art can be ugly at first but it becomes beautiful later.” - Steve Jobs

    Interesting take. What do you think?

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    Seems simplistic to me.

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    I guess I don't see what shelf life has to do with something being art.
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    it seems that art can "grow on you" but by the time bad fashion grows on you
    it is out of fashion ... if you wait 20 years that bad fashion will be beautiful again.

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    Styles come and go. Style lasts.

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    Fashion sells today; art endures.

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    So is the pictorialist style a fashion or an art? f64? Soft focus (High tech or Low tech)? PJ? ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by markbarendt View Post
    So is the pictorialist style a fashion or an art? f64? Soft focus (High tech or Low tech)? PJ? ...
    I think it is more a matter of intent. Trying to be fashionable -- or to create something from the heart...
    At least with LF landscape, a bad day of photography can still be a good day of exercise.

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    Please feel free to ignore the following; it probably does little to promote the discussion.

    I think we may be confusing three words or concepts here, (if I remember properly from the semester 20 or so years ago when I was asked to teach Marketing) Fad, Fashion and Style. The words are often used interchageably, and there is considerable overlap between their meainings.

    A fad is something that catches on very quickly in the market, but which has little appeal beyond the current trend and tends to fade quickly. Think Hula Hoops, Beanie Babies, and (hopefully) HDR. The cool kids have a knack for being right on the curve with fads. Fads tend to be bold and eye catching, and sometimes a little embarrassing when we look back on them. One other thing about fads is that they do not necessarily fade, but are often outright rejected when they are no longer part of the cool cycle.

    Fashion may take elements of a fad, or be influenced by it, but has a broader, more lasting appeal. (you may or may not like it, but it creates its own market) Like the shape and colour palattes of cars, the length of hemlines, or the trend over the last decade towards greater contrast or saturation in images. (which is most likely a result of the digital evolution)

    Style is the word that is most akin to art. It is something that has lasted long enough to be recognizeable by its elements, and takes its place in the broader culture of a nation or region. Think Art Deco, denim jeans, Greek and Roman columns. In photography these would be the various genres or techniques which have developed over these last 150+ years; documentary, street, landscape, abstract, etc. A style may or may not be currently fashionable, ("stlyish" generally means in fashion) but can be identified by its elements. Its influence can be seen in other areas of the culture and a style can often be taken by the rest of the world to represent or identify a culture.

    Whichever word you prefer to use, the question is, "what is the lasting value of this photograph?" Not how much is it worth, but is it relevant beyond the walls of your studio on the day it is made? Is it worthy of consideration beside the acknowledged masters of the art? Is it beautiful, thought-provoking, well executed? What does it say, what does it do?

    Is it art?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Toffle View Post
    Whichever word you prefer to use, the question is, "what is the lasting value of this photograph?" Not how much is it worth, but is it relevant beyond the walls of your studio on the day it is made? Is it worthy of consideration beside the acknowledged masters of the art? Is it beautiful, thought-provoking, well executed? What does it say, what does it do?

    Is it art?

    Nicely stated sir!

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