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    Both cameras could work in low light, but in different ways. The Hasselblad with a waist level finder and a neck strap is pretty steady. The Mamiya can be hand held at at 1/15 sec. pretty easily. Flash with the Mamiya 7 is manual only, there is no flash automation built in. It can, however, sync at all shutter speeds.
    I just recently picked up a Metz 54MZ-4 to use with my Mamiya. It works great on manual and auto.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ambar View Post
    So I'm down to either getting a Hasselblad 500cm and a Mamiya 7. Both with their respective 80mm lens.
    I do quite a bit of lowlight photography so my question is.. Will the extra stop make a HUGE load of difference between these two?

    My rationale is based on the fact that the mamiya is a range finder and "therefore should suffers less" with camera shake when firing the shutter.. (Does it? I know theres some technique involved but once you get the hang of it....) Would I be able to gain back that extra stop simply in the fact that I can hand hold it at lower speeds? How does the mamiya's viewfinder fare in low light? The 6x7 format is appealing but not a real dealmaker.

    As for the Hasselblad.. How low can you go (shutter speed) and get printable results on 8x10ish paper?

    I'm also about to endeavor into the world of flash photography.. The Mamiya's hot shoe is a big plus in that respect. How limiting are my options on the Hasselblad for flash? I don't even understand where a flash goes on the 500cm!?
    Any help on that department would also be very welcome!
    Thanks alot!
    iworked with both and would pick the mamiya anytime due totheir comprtitionless optics
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    Another good option for low light is Mamiya C3 series TLR. Same idea as Rolleiflex 2.8, but a lot less expensive.

    I've shot a lot of wedding on Mamiya 6. I have two of them, and I always had them with different lenses on. Many people mentioned mirror vibration, but for church ceremony, indoor reception, etc., the problem is more to do with the subject's motion blur. You're more likely forced to use flash with medium format than with 35mm, where you have f/1.4 lenses available.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryuji View Post
    Another good option for low light is Mamiya C3 series TLR. Same idea as Rolleiflex 2.8, but a lot less expensive.

    I've shot a lot of wedding on Mamiya 6. I have two of them, and I always had them with different lenses on. Many people mentioned mirror vibration, but for church ceremony, indoor reception, etc., the problem is more to do with the subject's motion blur. You're more likely forced to use flash with medium format than with 35mm, where you have f/1.4 lenses available.
    oh yes,mamiya 6: grat camera an d similar outstanding optics, esir to fofus than hasselblad too!
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    I also prefer the 6 to the 7, in spite of concerns about a fragile winder and so forth and the lack of the superfreakignwide lens. The other slight letdowns of the 6 are the lack of multiexposure and the 75mm lens isn't fast. But the collapsibility of the 6, and the square format make it my favourite camera of all.
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    Seems like a vote has been taken and Mamiya has won (despite my expectations!)!! Both systems seem quite wonderful and so I'm not completely sold on either.. I was inclined on getting the Hasselblad but now I believe my doubts will only be fully squashed once I get them both in my hands for a test-drive. Rollei seems like a good bet but like I said.. I'm looking forward to expanding this to more than the 80mm in the future. The Mamiya TLRs are nice but I've held one before and it seems a little clunky for my taste. The lens switch-a-roo isn't as straight forward.. I tend to switch lenses on the fly with my Nikon FM2n and I was looking for something that would work similarly.

    If only a Mamiya had a child with a Hasselblad.. I'd get a SLR with no mirror slap that had a critical lens with buttery background, that thats was silent, had a hotshoe, both 6x7 and 6x6 formats, 2.8 lens...
    But, as it seems we can't have it all..

    Thanks ALOT for all your input! Even though I'm less decided on which one to purchase.. I'm closer to getting something that will fill the bill!!

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    I have the 500cm and have never used the mamiya but if the mamiya had a 2.8 lens I would sell everything for it. I would be able to use one camera for everything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ambar View Post
    If only a Mamiya had a child with a Hasselblad.. I'd get a SLR with no mirror slap that had a critical lens with buttery background, that thats was silent, had a hotshoe, both 6x7 and 6x6 formats, 2.8 lens...
    But, as it seems we can't have it all..
    You are describing the rz!!! The rz has a 110/2.8 lens that is very sweet and very nice.

    Aside: I use the 110 on my rb in fact, but it only works for near focus (portrait is ok) unless you do some further modification, and there is no shutter control. All you have to do is pull two little pins to make it mount on the rb though. Very easy.

    There is MLU on the rb and rz and, as for silence, well, it's not silent when the mirror slaps, but you can do that well in advance of popping the leaf shutter lens. And the lens shutters themselves are very quiet.

    I am thinking that if an rb/rz had a shutter up level, so that you an avoid the kerthunk, those systems would be eerily quiet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by postalman View Post
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    And my hasselblad is far too beautiful to deface by gluing a coldshoe on the side
    You don't have to glue anything to the side of your Hassy; the company also made a cold shoe that slides onto the accessory rail on the left side. The item in question also pivots to allow one to position a small flash, and it's held in position with discrete click-stops.

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    The Mamiya optics are probably technically better than the Zeiss ones. They are so damned sharp it's scary. But I find I like how the Zeiss lenses draw the picture better, and they aren't exactly technically poor lenses either.

    Other than that, shooting a Hasselblad is a completely different experience from shooting a Mamiya rangefinder. Completely. Different. Experience.

    I would choose the Hasselblad. To me it's more versatile with exchangeable backs, number of available lenses, telephoto capability, focusing ability (especially when shooting wide open or with extension tubes), an extra stop of light on the lenses, lenses that draw in a much more interesting way, the ability to shoot using either a prism or with waist-level finder, and I loooove how it feels in my hands. That's how I feel about it.
    Others that prefer absolutely everything to be razor sharp and perfect, enjoy the rangefinder style of cameras, or mind the bulk of the Hasselblad may disagree with me profoundly.
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