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    Quote Originally Posted by paul ron View Post

    BUT... It's like going to the dentist, neglect em, you'll lose em sooner than later. The lack of maintenance kills cameras of this grade when not properly lubed n pampered or just left to sit in a closet for years on end. The pros did regular pit stops, they were making a living off their equipment.

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    That is why I still like my Nikon Fs, they only get serviced when I have enough spare money, which is never, but they seem to keep on working despite me - Which is why I started the "Back to the basic F" thread after I had taken a couple out of the bottom of my safe and they worked like new

    However, I seriously take your point - My nearest reliable repair man is 3000Km away and he does not seem to understand the word "urgent", but I put quality of work first and when a camera goes to him I use something else and try to forget the camera he has to work on "Ooooh, I will try to look at that next week" - Repair men are to be treasured and cared for, for totally selfish reasons

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    Quote Originally Posted by vedmak View Post
    parts for mechanical cameras are easy to manufacture with a lathe and a few rods of steel/brass.
    That's what I was going to suggest. Clock and watch makers/repairers make replacement parts all the time.

    I think it's time we stopped thinking we need specialist camera repairers and started thinking about getting clock repairers to look at our cameras.

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    some wizard CNC machinist can do it.
    You don't need CNC. Many fine clocks and watches have been made using simple hand guided (and powered) tools.


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    Clock repairers is quite a good idea. Many of the internals related to the motion of the shutter and other mechanics are extremely similar.
    Stop worrying about grain, resolution, sharpness, and everything else that doesn't have a damn thing to do with substance.

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    To the OP regarding Bronica repair.... try giving this place a call http://kohscamera.com/repair.htm . They specialize in Bronica repair and quite possibly may have the parts needed to fix yours.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve Smith View Post
    That's what I was going to suggest. Clock and watch makers/repairers make replacement parts all the time.

    I think it's time we stopped thinking we need specialist camera repairers and started thinking about getting clock repairers to look at our cameras.
    Steve.
    And clock and watch guys aren't also specialists? The abovementioned spindle for my Illinois watch cost $150 over ten years ago. I'd guess that at that rate for parts, many old cameras end up unrepaired.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Moopheus View Post
    And clock and watch guys aren't also specialists?
    Yes, but there are probably more of them than there are camera repairers.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve Smith View Post
    Yes, but there are probably more of them than there are camera repairers.

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    Camera shutters are made by watch manufacturers

    Going back to basics cameras were made by cabinet makers, and they still could be

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Grant View Post
    Going back to basics cameras were made by cabinet makers, and they still could be
    They can also be built by people who wouldn't go so far as to call themselves cabinet makers too!


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    Quote Originally Posted by MarkF48 View Post
    To the OP regarding Bronica repair.... try giving this place a call http://kohscamera.com/repair.htm . They specialize in Bronica repair and quite possibly may have the parts needed to fix yours.
    Thanks so much! I just emailed them. Funny that they say the repair all Bronica gear, then go on to list all the Bronica gear ever made... except the RF645... So we'll see.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve Smith View Post
    Yes, but there are probably more of them than there are camera repairers.
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    Digital clocks wiped out most watch repair places in the 1980's. Timex used to have service centres on contract everywhere, then it was mail in, then it was gone. A drugstore chain I worked at many years ago had a Timex-trained technician in most major stores. No longer. Even mid-price mechanical watches are more likely at warranty to be replaced than repaired.

    Now it is the very high-end watches that are mechanical and have substantial repair facilities, Rolex etc. The cost to repair is extremely high. They do not do nickle and dime stuff. The employees have to undergo very specific and long-term training in one brand alone. The closest one could come to it is Leica's service. There are watchmaking and repair standards bodies:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WOSTEP

    The thing is, apprentices are trained precisely because there are new watches constantly entering the market, usually at premium (multi-thousand $$$ prices). This assures long-term revenue flow and therefore certainty of investment.

    The same cannot be said of cameras. High-end film cameras are still marginally in production, but at lofty prices along with lenses. They simply do not sell on the scale as mechanical watches because watches are seen to have an intrinsic "jewelry" value. They can be seen as ostentatious displays of wealth, prestige, bling, or whatever. Really, only Leica gets in that league. Watches are fashion as much as functional. Cameras don't really have the same investment status as a high=-end mechanical watch.

    And watches are not dependent on an input like film. They are, in fact, designed as much as possible, to be completely independent of additional inputs.

    There are similarities in cameras and watches as one can see from the presence of Seiko (shutter manufacture especially) in both camera and watch markets. It's no coincidence that cameras and watches have primarily been manufactured in Middle Europe and Japan from companies closely grouped together.

    The idea of crossover repair service is quite common. However, the option to repair salvage cameras as a mainline business alongside new, high-end watch servicing does not marry easily. I suspect on the shop floor it is even more difficult to expect a TAG Heuer technician to switch from a $8,000 chronograph repair to a 40 year-old rangefinder cobbling parts from eBay no-sells.

    The mechanical watch biz is not faring well. Younger demographics simply don't use or need watches as much due to smartphones and aesthetics. Many do not like the weight on their arms of a watch. That may change, but it is likely to have a secular impact.



 

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